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Post by stewartdonald on May 24, 2016 21:46:04 GMT
I have just checked Braintree didn't have anyone who scored more goals than Beano and neither did Forest Green so 2 teams out of the top 5 would have seen him top scorer and one of those were second!! Bean also played 1000 minutes less than a lot of scorers above him which is obviously 11 games so if you average goals per minute he actually was much higher placed.
Grimsby did the best with their second striker scoring 3 more and Dover's second striker Stefan Payne had 1 more so he may have been worth a place in their team. Cheltenham also had a second higher scorer but only if you include the lad signed halfway through from Woking otherwise Beano would have been their second highest scorer too.
I think if you use stats against playing him as a front two on the basis of goals scored that is a really tough argument to win against him. His stats work out to be Just Top 10 on time played and games started if you add another striker in who finished above him Andy Cook/Kristian Dennis/ Omar Bogle then I think we would have gone up if our other striker had those stats and I don't see how you can argue that just based on stats he is not good enough to be in a promotion team. I just don't see it. If a team can finish second with their top scorer below him surely we have a chance. I also wonder how many teams have been promoted in the last 10 years out of the Conference who second striker produced what Beano did this year I expect a few did.
I appreciate the comment re Tubbs but I think that to get the best out of Beano he needs more physical help up top than what he had at times and that would help his goal record.
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Post by stewartdonald on May 24, 2016 21:48:16 GMT
We were in for Andy Cook but he wanted to stay up North so it became impossible to get him. Cook and Norwood will be a good front two. Disappointed not to get him but we are looking hard and almost there with 1.
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Post by back4more on May 24, 2016 23:12:31 GMT
Stewart, again thanks for the open info.
Have to say I can't blame Andy Cook wanting to stay up in god's own country.
I get the feeling you might be being misunderstood by some.
Quite rightly you've made a strong case for James Constable's excellent contribution to our last season but I think some might (wrongly I think) be seeing that as a commitment to build next season's side around him.
Best to look forward with relish I think with Beano as part of the equation and a very good chance that our new emerging squad will be up there.
Who are the teams to beat in 2016/17?
1. Eastleigh 2. Lincoln or York or D&R or FGR or Tranmere or......?
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Post by westendspitfire on May 25, 2016 5:37:49 GMT
Sattsy leaving the striker situation aside, you made a point in your post that you don't want another 'wasted season' how on earth can you call our second season at this level wasted? Surely you don't think we have a right to automatically get top 5? We are a growing club who are learning along the way if you really think that everything will work straight away and we will fly up the league's I fear you are being ever so slightly optimistic. It's a journey and if 7th is the worst bump we hit them we are pretty spoilt.
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Post by michaelefc on May 25, 2016 7:23:29 GMT
If we get a top quality striker to play alongside JC and if they both stay reasonably fit, I reckon they will score the goals for us to finish in the top 5. Whether Beano scores 15 or 20 or anywhere in between, he will prove a right handful to defences, and striker wise he would always be in the first 2 names on my team sheet.
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Post by realbeast on May 25, 2016 7:40:36 GMT
I'm with sattsy on this one I like beano but he does not score enough goals for me like you say Paul he just backs in to defenders rather than running at them I don't think it was our lack of goals that cost us a playoff position it was the amount of goals we let in I think we need to get 2 big Center backs because we conceded to many goals from set pieces and corners if you think back to when we won the conference south title we had a superb defence and we won a lot of games by 1-0 and imho the cup run took a lot out of our players we hit a major slump after the Bolton game but signing David pipe was a good signing I have seen him play a few times for forest green he is a solid player lets get our defence sorted out and I'm sure we will progress
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Post by stewartdonald on May 25, 2016 7:43:09 GMT
Sattsy leaving the striker situation aside, you made a point in your post that you don't want another 'wasted season' how on earth can you call our second season at this level wasted? Surely you don't think we have a right to automatically get top 5? We are a growing club who are learning along the way if you really think that everything will work straight away and we will fly up the league's I fear you are being ever so slightly optimistic. It's a journey and if 7th is the worst bump we hit them we are pretty spoilt. I think our league position this season was an under achievement which I can't disagree with. I do think if we don't achieve top 5 everyone will see that as not having fulfilled our potential, ambitions etc this season. We need to start to get in the race to win it as opposed to be a strong team in it. We do need more goals from up top but the difference of opinion is one which I can understand. 1st,4th,1st,7th finishes in 4 years is good - if that comes with another 7th or worse then that does not look so good - if it comes with a 1st,2nd,3rd after it then that is more like it.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 8:49:42 GMT
Some good points put back to me and i take them all on board. However, what i will say is this, when you have already spent a whole season trying hard to find the right partner for Beano and have already tried at least 5 combinations alongside him, then maybe the other strike partners aren't the problem. Maybe if you remove the elephant in the room, it will be easier to find 2 new strikers that work, than trying to find someone who can play well and score goals alongside Beano. Personally, and again, this is just my opinion, i really cannot see us landing a striker who will get 25 goals alongside Beano whilst Beano gets 15-20. It wont happen, because it means that most chances would be now be falling to the 25 goal striker, leaving only the odd pickings for Beano. Not many teams get 2 players who score over 20 each, although Cheltenham did manage it last season. When it comes down to it, it will be about our tactics as SunnySatuerdays states (he's a very good contributer to this forum btw). If we are playing a passing game and trying to slip a new striker through on goal after some neat build up play, then Beano wont be anywhere near the other striker and will likely be on the floor wrestling with a defender either outside the box, or down one of the channels & he wont score many from that position. Back in the Conf south, we regularly had Macca & Jai scoring 18-20 each 2 seasons running, because Macca could hold teh ball up extremely well and bring others into play & Jai was very clever in and around him. Sadly, we no longer have a Macca (we have really missed him and his style) and we haven't found a Jai to replace Jai in the no.10 role and the manager seems to insist on playing him in a right or left midfield role playing narrow, so not only have we lost a good pairing upfront, we are also stifling our most gifted provider.
Good debate, and i look forward to the new signings, to see if any of them can change my outlook on the season ahead.
In answer to the question: Yes, i do feel that last season was a wasted season in terms of not getting into L2, which as we all know, is the remit that the owner puts upon the manager. Play offs would have been ok, but only ok, they should have been a given. The FA Cup run was great, but i just see Fa Cup runs as bonus's. At the start of a new season, its all about getting promoted. Not only did we fail on the front, we didnt even give ourselves a chance and that was because we didnt score enough goals in the last 12 games of the season. if we had, as you all elude to, we would have made the play offs, but we didnt and for that, you have to look at your strike force.
I haven't checked but from memory, it was something like this:- Last 12 games Beano 1 goal Tubbs 1 goal Yemi maybe 2 goals Midson no goals Jai maybe 3 goals.
That's not good enough, yet only 1 of those players have been released...(i'm not including Tubbs as he was never ours to keep). The only one i would have kept was Jai. The others all needed replacing to freshen us up and give us a better chance at hitting the goal trail next season.
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Post by westendspitfire on May 25, 2016 9:41:03 GMT
Promotion may be the ultimate goal the owner puts on the Manager, but not sure CT was expected to achieve that last season. Given the position when he took over and the fact that it was his first managerial position, I think there must have been plenty of learning going on. Surely it would only be classed as a wasted season if he were not to take the team to the next level now, after he has had a chance to learn, build a team and put his stamp on it, the jury is still out.
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Post by blackie on May 25, 2016 12:22:47 GMT
Pretty sure the brief for CT was to make the PO's, I can remember a supporters club meeting where Stewart stated the players still believed they could win the title - that was pre the FA Cup hangover period! I get Stewart's take on JC although I remain to be convinced that it will pan out for the best. However the statements about JC being our leading striker yet again ask the questions as to what role Yemi will fill other than the bench next season and also Lafayette (admittedly he is on a 2 year deal so were stuck with him for 16/17). As a minimum we need 2 quality strikers at L2/Conf level brought in who know where the goal is otherwise we'll have another potential 15/16 season on our hands.
Just think if we'd managed to beat Welling both times (I seem to remember some on the board thinking the away draw was a good result early in the season!!!!!) and Kiddy away we would have made the PO's - that we didn't sums up why we failed to make the top 5 last season.
Saying that I'm pleased with the two new players brought in so far they appear to be the type required for a proper push up the table - albeit with a strike force in front of them that can finish teams off!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 13:56:29 GMT
We already have fit, aggressive, strong, determined & experienced, in Beano. I thought we needed someone to complement him, not to be the same as him...? 2 Bulldozers wont help us. We need pace and guile, a clever striker with finishing instincts. I like Brett & have championed him for years since i first saw him in our youth set ups, but i dont think he would get in our side anymore, his level of constancy is awful. We need better than that to win this league. Why would Akinde come here? He was third top scorer in L2 last season, playing in a Barnet side that finished near the bottom of the league, so he will be looking for a move to a Championship club as his next move and will go for over £1m English pounds.
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Post by hantslondoner on May 25, 2016 14:18:49 GMT
Well, Fleetwood Town think they've found a goalscorer from the lower leagues..... Horley's a lot nearer Eastleigh than Fleetwood. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36317087With Brett Williams: I think you'll find some fans at Aldershot, at FGR, and a lot of fans at Woking, who think he only turns it on when it suits him, and wouldn't want him back.
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Post by hantslondoner on May 25, 2016 14:30:28 GMT
Alabi's just signed a new deal with Chester.
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Post by tyreman on May 25, 2016 16:44:50 GMT
Sounds to me Stewart that the type of player you are looking for is who you already enquired about not too long ago in Akinde. I still also maintain Brett Williams can do the job you are asking, and you wont go far wrong with considering Scott Rendell on what you have described. Is he fully fit now ?, and sure you are already in his good books after your lovely touch last year with the donation after his injury. Not sure who was considered at Carlisle last year, but Jabo Ibehre is another who would meet your fit. Very aggressive, strong, determined, experienced, and could be very good in this league, even at 33. Should have had a look at Akindi when Richard Hill asked the fans who he thought we should look at. I mentioned Akindi and was told in no uncertain terms that he was no good for Eastleigh! "Have you seen him play?" Yes was my reply, I saw him when he played for Alfreton-he soon squashed that suggestion. He certainly has done well with Barnet!
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Post by theduck on May 25, 2016 18:09:27 GMT
I know we all want local lads to do well but Brett Williams is a dreadful player when I've seen him
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