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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 7:52:09 GMT
When someone who is extremely wealthy gives up a football club, unless you change like for like in an owner of similar wealth, clubs don't continue on an upward curve, you take the money away, you stop growing. Yes the club has revenue streams of around £2.5m a year, yes the budget is healthy for the coming season, but if progress is not maintained then that revenue will fall and there is no heavy backer to help the club out, then what happens? Season tickets will rise maybe to £250+, entry on the day will go up, bar prices will increase, then players on reasonable contracts will be moved on, then those coming in will be on £700 or less, the team will suffer, support will drop off and long hard winters will be the norm. The club needed to be sold to someone wealthy who can sustain a financial hit if required and keep it at a good level, without for want of a better word, a sugar daddy, the bail out will be by putting prices up everywhere. But that's one thing SD got right, he knew if you price the ordinary fan out of it, they won't go, vicious circle I know but that's what we are looking at now. The people who make up the board are, as rightly said, good people but none of them can throw £10m at the club like SD did, and lets not forget he was setting out on the next phrase of another £10m in the club as well. I just don't see what is being done is the right way forward to progress, I may get proven wrong, that's fine, but I am giving my opinion, of course I accept people won't agree with me, some do though. Its not a lack of support I'm showing, it's just my concerns. Your Club, My club, Our club.....is it right to express your views? Or do you keep your mouth shut because you don't want to voice a different concern?
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Post by michaelefc on May 15, 2018 9:07:54 GMT
So if SD had sold the club to a consortium of rich Russian and Chinese businessmen you would have been happy?
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Post by stew5018 on May 15, 2018 9:15:57 GMT
having lots of money didn't help Sunderland this season. It didn't stop them dropping to league 1. Huddersfield had little money and stayed in the Premier League. Money doesn't mean everything. Macclesfield couldn't pay wages when we played there yet won the league. This might even be a short term solution to allow Mr Donald to move on. Who knows so the speculation and doom is really pointless. I just look forward to the next season and hope for the best. I also give my full support to anyone taking over and I am not prepared to 'knock them' before they've even started. Of course everyones entitled to an opinion but at the moment we have no idea how its all going to work. When we do thats really the time to have an opinion because there's something to have an opinion on.
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Post by michaelefc on May 15, 2018 9:56:04 GMT
Well said.
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Post by huricaneharry on May 15, 2018 10:35:38 GMT
having lots of money didn't help Sunderland this season. It didn't stop them dropping to league 1. Huddersfield had little money and stayed in the Premier League. Money doesn't mean everything. Macclesfield couldn't pay wages when we played there yet won the league. This might even be a short term solution to allow Mr Donald to move on. Who knows so the speculation and doom is really pointless. I just look forward to the next season and hope for the best. I also give my full support to anyone taking over and I am not prepared to 'knock them' before they've even started. Of course everyones entitled to an opinion but at the moment we have no idea how its all going to work. When we do thats really the time to have an opinion because there's something to have an opinion on. I think you need a shot of reality, the fact is that all of these “new” people have been working or at the club for months if not years. They have been running the club on a day to day basis. The fact that we have now moved from a club owned by one individual to a club with more board members than the first team squad, will make decision making more complicated. It appears that financially the club is sound, yet there are losses of £37k per week showing in the last set of published accounts. Who is going to be in charge? Complacency is not an option questions will need to be asked and those who ask them should not face ridicule from those rose tinted ostriches.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 10:37:42 GMT
So if SD had sold the club to a consortium of rich Russian and Chinese businessmen you would have been happy?
Absolutely VERY HAPPY 😃 😁😁👍👍 the way forward would be very clear.
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Post by stew5018 on May 15, 2018 12:54:44 GMT
having lots of money didn't help Sunderland this season. It didn't stop them dropping to league 1. Huddersfield had little money and stayed in the Premier League. Money doesn't mean everything. Macclesfield couldn't pay wages when we played there yet won the league. This might even be a short term solution to allow Mr Donald to move on. Who knows so the speculation and doom is really pointless. I just look forward to the next season and hope for the best. I also give my full support to anyone taking over and I am not prepared to 'knock them' before they've even started. Of course everyones entitled to an opinion but at the moment we have no idea how its all going to work. When we do thats really the time to have an opinion because there's something to have an opinion on. I think you need a shot of reality, the fact is that all of these “new” people have been working or at the club for months if not years. They have been running the club on a day to day basis. The fact that we have now moved from a club owned by one individual to a club with more board members than the first team squad, will make decision making more complicated. It appears that financially the club is sound, yet there are losses of £37k per week showing in the last set of published accounts. Who is going to be in charge? Complacency is not an option questions will need to be asked and those who ask them should not face ridicule from those rose tinted ostriches. Rose tinted ostrich- how very mature!! You have no more idea how this will work than I do. If you had read my post fully you will see I also said this might be a short term solution. The point is no one knows at the moment. What sort of support does it show for the Club when you're knocking those trying to take the Club towards next season. Its so easy to criticise when your not involved in the decision making. Ridicule- thats not something I have done. I'm just asking for you to 'wait and see'--- and then I might feel the same way as you who knows. But I am prepared to wait a while before judging. I am realistic--what will be will be--and nothing you or I say will alter that.
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Post by stew5018 on May 15, 2018 12:56:18 GMT
So if SD had sold the club to a consortium of rich Russian and Chinese businessmen you would have been happy? Absolutely VERY HAPPY 😃 😁😁👍👍 the way forward would be very clear. Ask Saints supporters for the answer to that
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 13:13:50 GMT
£37k of losses per week in the last set of accounts.. almost £2m a year...and that was with SD at the helm and he could buffer it. The club is going to hit the wall on those figures... not good is it because not many people can chuck money at bad business dealings. You look how Farnborough dealt with their creditors 1p in the £ then reformed as a new company...we all said that was disgraceful...the law allows you to do it...Losing £37k a week people..take those rose tinted glasses off and think about it.
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Post by ballboy on May 15, 2018 13:15:32 GMT
48 hours after the announcement that the club was to be sold SD said there were already lots of offers on the table...where did they all go? Did they back away when demands for three years further of low prices on season tickets and coach travel was part of the deal? In the end the current board, along with four office workers are taking over...that was the best deal on the table was it for the club? You now have ten people on the board which will mean six have to agree to vote something through by majority, unless some abstain in which case that number drops. Many will like that idea, I don't, I prefer one owner because he/she can just get on with it like SD did, yes he made some mistakes but overall he was good for the club and he kept his promises to grow the club, make it self supporting, build the stadium, low price season tickets, cheap coach travel, and got the team into the top league of non league. All wonderful things and he didn't need approval from board members. Yesterday someone, I think it was Martin bought up the old chesnut that some fans still believe in the 'Whats in it for me' attitude, I certainly have never ever thought in terms like that. Until last season I was always a paid up member of TSSC, I stopped after the disgraceful way Paul Satts was treated by two highly ranked members of that committee, and I do feel very sorry that Jeff Fenna got caught up in it all because he was lied to, and because of those lies he backed the wrong horse to the hilt and when the truth came out he did the honourable thing and resigned as Chairman of TSSC, it crushed him and he deserved better than that. Paul Satts endured a torrid time as well and effectively killed his love of EFC in the process. That's why TSSC numbers dropped to 93 last season people showed their support for Paul Satts and their disapproval of one committee member. Until this season just gone, I always bought both the home and away football shirts, sometimes even the 3rd strip, season ticket, I have also bought T shirts, jackets and so forth every season. I spend money in the bar, before, half time and after games, I purchase 50/50 tickets, and finally a regular away traveller to boot. Some years ago at Macclesfield, myself and SD were the only two people in a pub round the corner from the ground just after it opened at Noon, called if I remember 'The Green Dragon' Stewart had his two boys with him, Stewart bought me a drink, then I'd buy back for him and his lads, we did this twice until at around 1-50pm the supporters coach arrived, straight away Stewart bought everybody a drink, it cost almost £50 for the round. When we were almost empty, I'm ashamed to say we looked surrounded by hangers on not wanting to buy Stewart a drink back (The what's in it for me group) I said to Stewart, "Another one mate?" and he said, "I'll get these" and once more the round came to almost £50. I was also with SD at another game, also at Macclesfied when the coach driver had his rest stop of 30 minutes some 15 miles from the ground, if you've not been to Macclesfield the only way to enter the stadium is by ticket which you purchase at the ticket office, this office closes at 3pm. SD realised the problem, the coach was going to be around 10-15 minutes late getting to the stadium, he phoned someone on the coach, found out how many people were on board, then went and bought all the tickets so they could get in on arrival. It must have cost him around £750 a wonderful gesture, yet do you know at half time as we were having a drink, one Eastleigh fan said to Stewart "I got a complaint" "Whats that" says Stewart, and he replied "I had to pay for my ticket to get in" It was embarrassing. So no, I'm not one of those 'what's in it for me'. Keith I’m sure no one thinks you are one of the ‘what’s in it for me ‘ brigade but , although your reasoning for not being a member is admirable , the past is the past and we can only look to the future. I believe Sattsy has put the issue behind him. I was also at Gateshead when Stewart bought the drinks and I did offer(as I know did others) to buy him a drink but he refused and it was also close to kick off. The incident at Macclesfield was unfortunate but whoever complained about paying for their ticket was wrong. IIRC we did have a whip round on the way back to donate to a charity of Stewart’s choice. The point is that the club needs supporters who are not divided and can put differences behind them and come together to benefit the future of the Spitfires.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 13:16:36 GMT
I don’t care a jot about saint supporters, but they probably have better owners now than previously....they will invest.
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Post by fw on May 15, 2018 13:59:36 GMT
Good luck to the consortium who are taking charge, We are in the national league , we have a good ground, We have good facilities to use and with AH in charge a decent manager, when that changes is maybe when people should start being negative , until then let’s be positive about all the good points , actually there is a negative , the burgers are poor!
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Post by huricaneharry on May 15, 2018 14:30:23 GMT
Good luck to the consortium who are taking charge, We are in the national league , we have a good ground, We have good facilities to use and with AH in charge a decent manager, when that changes is maybe when people should start being negative , until then let’s be positive about all the good points , actually there is a negative , the burgers are poor! Can you confirm the ground is/will be owned by the club when everything is completed or will we be tenants?
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Post by stew5018 on May 15, 2018 17:21:45 GMT
I don’t care a jot about saint supporters, but they probably have better owners now than previously....they will invest. Fact is you have no idea whether they will or not. You used foreign buyers as the example of Saviour of football clubs. They could suck them dry. There are plenty of examples where foreign investment has been a failure and left the Club in deep trouble. There are no certainties in any business deal. As you used Chinese and Japanese buyers as an example I did the same illustrating saints as our near neighbours and the fact is that in January when they could have improved the Team they didn't. I can't for the life of me understand why Eastleigh supporters feel that they should justify another multi millionaire as the next owner. I'm told to be realistic. This is the reality we have what we have. Once it has been finalised then ask the questions.
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Post by spitfire9 on May 15, 2018 17:49:54 GMT
If you want a owner/owners with money then **** off to watch the Premier LEAGUE! Yes it is nice for an owner/owners to have money but if we are self sufficient then why do we need wealth to improve. We will see what happens can't question who ever takes over until all is finalised and settled down they May do a even better job then SD. We will wait and see.
First thing that needs to happen when a deal is finalised is a fans forum for people to test new owner/owners and see what the future holds for Eastleigh FC.
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