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Post by nobadspitfire on Apr 17, 2017 19:47:27 GMT
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Post by tenacres on Apr 17, 2017 19:54:09 GMT
Maybe I'm wrong but I've got a hunch the pitch will be left for the time being.
I think its actually looked fairly OK in the last few weeks, although that may be down to relatively kind weather this season.
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Post by ballboy on Apr 17, 2017 20:01:06 GMT
Interesting part of interview is that RH is looking likely to stay as manager with development of others already here.
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Post by taylov on Apr 17, 2017 20:28:00 GMT
Pretty sure I read a post from SD on Facebook at the end of last year that he thought the pitch was a realistic project for the summer of 2018 rather than this year.
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Post by upthespitfires on Apr 17, 2017 21:08:59 GMT
Interesting part of interview is that RH is looking likely to stay as manager with development of others already here. It does sound that way. I had heard that he wanted the job and was planning to train up Strevs (aka Ben Stevens 😂) to take over eventually. |
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Post by tyreman on Apr 18, 2017 5:25:38 GMT
Or even Paul Reid???
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 6:16:10 GMT
If RH trains up the next Eastleigh manager after he goes, it will end just like Toddy, being assistant manager is one thing, being an inexperienced manager quite another. What people have to remember is Hilly learned in Conference South, the National league is no place for that. EFC are a big club at this level, with big ambitions moving forward, just suppose Hilly achieves promotion and reach the football league, the idea that a novice manager eventually takes over at an even higher level makes no sense either. I get the idea is well meaning, the desire to bring someone through, but you will never quite understand the pressures of the job until you are the manager and your own decisions are the ones that then matter, not someone else's. People in the game who know Ben Strevens and Paul Ried say they are future managers, they are good people in the dressing room, they're popular with players, getting their badges and so forth, all of which is excellent for them in the future. I just believe if they have ambitions to manage, go and learn the trade at North/South level as a manager, prove yourself worthy of the job in the long run. There is one other factor to consider...how long will Hilly stay as manager.....how long would his assistant wait? Or what if another club comes calling for his services from National South knowing he's learned a lot from RH. The prime issue for me is that this sounds like a promise when you state to train someone up to take over eventually.....Ryan Giggs was promised the job after LVG and then United realised he had no experience to manage a big club.....Eastleigh are a big club too at their level.
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Post by bigwing on Apr 18, 2017 9:31:19 GMT
If RH trains up the next Eastleigh manager after he goes, it will end just like Toddy, being assistant manager is one thing, being an inexperienced manager quite another. What people have to remember is Hilly learned in Conference South, the National league is no place for that. EFC are a big club at this level, with big ambitions moving forward, just suppose Hilly achieves promotion and reach the football league, the idea that a novice manager eventually takes over at an even higher level makes no sense either. I get the idea is well meaning, the desire to bring someone through, but you will never quite understand the pressures of the job until you are the manager and your own decisions are the ones that then matter, not someone else's. People in the game who know Ben Strevens and Paul Ried say they are future managers, they are good people in the dressing room, they're popular with players, getting their badges and so forth, all of which is excellent for them in the future. I just believe if they have ambitions to manage, go and learn the trade at North/South level as a manager, prove yourself worthy of the job in the long run. There is one other factor to consider...how long will Hilly stay as manager.....how long would his assistant wait? Or what if another club comes calling for his services from National South knowing he's learned a lot from RH. The prime issue for me is that this sounds like a promise when you state to train someone up to take over eventually.....Ryan Giggs was promised the job after LVG and then United realised he had no experience to manage a big club.....Eastleigh are a big club too at their level. Have to agree with this. It was a big mistake letting MA go. I know it may not seem like that to some. MA needed more time. He will have understood the deep seated changes that need to take place at the club to get us to the next level. RH's experience is very limited to lower league only and I'm not sure he has what it takes to get us to the next level in any capacity. It was interesting at the York away game when he came over to us at the end of the match - on his own. The team weren't with him. Who's to say that MA wouldn't have got the results RH has ? After all, it's still pretty much his squad.
We need a manager with a good record of success at this and the next level and we fans need to be patient. We will not get to the next level overnight. It will take some very significant changes and a 'new guard' - RH is old school and is not the way forward.
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Post by ballboy on Apr 18, 2017 9:33:25 GMT
Agree with most of your comments Keith but i believe Strevs has already been in the dugout a few times with RH taking a back seat and both he and Reid had some management experience at Whitehawk. I've always said that one of the main problems with RM and MA was that they didn't have a passion for Eastleigh that i believe is a major factor in success and getting the team to play for the club. Toddy unfortunately didn't have long enough but if we look to build next season and have a consistent squad that, providing we end in the top half, i believe we could push for promotion in the 18/19 season.
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Post by nobadspitfire on Apr 18, 2017 9:50:00 GMT
Bigwig said that we fans need to be patient. Agree with that & I think generally speaking, we are. Can the same be said for SD, though? I think the crucial aspect for the next 2-4 seasons is that the club build a team, having some continuity. Too early to start discussing the retained & released list, but we know there will be many changes. I'd like to see more players come in who are in their mid to late 20s, rather than over 30. And having a winning team isn't just about spending big money if the Management of the team is right. Easy for me to say that., though, far more difficult to achieve.
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Post by Bryan on Apr 18, 2017 9:55:51 GMT
....and just throwing another one in - I wonder if the couple of big named players that had 'committed to EFC for 17/18' under MA are still committed or still wanted for next season ?
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Post by westendspitfire on Apr 18, 2017 9:58:28 GMT
I think there is enough evidence in both the experienced Manager and the inexperienced Manager theories to prove both of them right and both of them wrong.
The evidence that we have seen this season gives us no idea at all which way to jump, but hopefully points to the fact that we should stop jumping and maybe stick with what we have.
I'm almost certain that if we had stuck with CT we would not have been in any different position to that we currently find ourselves in, other then we would have had a Manager with almost 2 seasons worth of experience and a squad that almost certainly would have been more stable.
My main concern is, whatever route we go down, that we do not set ourselves any unrealistic targets and then press the panic button if we are not on schedule at the start of September.
Saying we are a big club at this level is stretching the boundaries if you ask me, we have ambition to be a big club at this level but we are not there yet, have a look at the league table and not just the position we are in but the names of some of the clubs in this league. We are on the road and its the right road but we haven't helped by driving into every pot hole we could find in the past 12 months :-)
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Post by efcalan on Apr 18, 2017 10:03:23 GMT
Who ever we get in it will be pointless calling them a manager because with a D.O.F they always get the last say so we may as well bring Strevs,Reid or even Macca in as a first team coach just like ranieri was at Leicester!
D.O.F is the worst job title known in football!
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Post by hantslondoner on Apr 18, 2017 10:50:55 GMT
We've tried experienced managers (RM and MA), we've tried up-and-coming managers (CT), we've tried a DOF, all in one season!
Hard to know what to do now - finding another Cowley is a shot in the dark, but even managers that looked like a good bet (MA) don't always work out.
A couple of people here say that Eastleigh are a 'big club for this level'. What is that based on? History? Fan base? Facilities? Income/Turnover? Squad strength?
Personally, I'd say we are distinctly mid-table. Clubs like Lincoln and Tranmere are streets ahead of us. So are a few others.
We were on a crest of a wave when coming up from Conference South, and overachieved in the first season and a half. Since then we have gone down to about the level I'd expect. We need fresh impetus and a fresh approach to move up to the next level.
Whether a DOF is a bit excessive for this level I'm not sure, but an experienced/inexperienced combination might work.
As I've said before, I also wonder after this season how many good managers will want to come here. When RM and MA last only a few months each some might think twice.
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Post by bomber on Apr 18, 2017 15:28:03 GMT
If RH trains up the next Eastleigh manager after he goes, it will end just like Toddy, being assistant manager is one thing, being an inexperienced manager quite another. What people have to remember is Hilly learned in Conference South, the National league is no place for that. EFC are a big club at this level, with big ambitions moving forward, just suppose Hilly achieves promotion and reach the football league, the idea that a novice manager eventually takes over at an even higher level makes no sense either. I get the idea is well meaning, the desire to bring someone through, but you will never quite understand the pressures of the job until you are the manager and your own decisions are the ones that then matter, not someone else's. People in the game who know Ben Strevens and Paul Ried say they are future managers, they are good people in the dressing room, they're popular with players, getting their badges and so forth, all of which is excellent for them in the future. I just believe if they have ambitions to manage, go and learn the trade at North/South level as a manager, prove yourself worthy of the job in the long run. There is one other factor to consider...how long will Hilly stay as manager.....how long would his assistant wait? Or what if another club comes calling for his services from National South knowing he's learned a lot from RH. The prime issue for me is that this sounds like a promise when you state to train someone up to take over eventually.....Ryan Giggs was promised the job after LVG and then United realised he had no experience to manage a big club.....Eastleigh are a big club too at their level. Have to agree with this. It was a big mistake letting MA go. No way. I firmly believe we were going down under Martin Allen. If he needed more time, that's fine, but it didn't take Hill long to get the wins we needed to survive in this league. |
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