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Post by crazyhorse on Aug 15, 2018 6:54:55 GMT
at the end of the day, compared to 2 seasons ago, Sherwoods is 'as well as' the Hanger, not 'instead of'. Those true supporters who like to gather together for a cheap pint can do so in the Hanger, just like they have done for many seasons. For me, this is my preferred choice because it is cheaper, but if you want better facilities (sky sports which I know costs a fortune in a club, proper glasses, etc.) then you have to pay for them one way or another. It seems some want much better for no more money
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Post by bennyblueballs on Aug 15, 2018 7:03:56 GMT
Why all this talk of the ‘prawn sandwich mob’, this isn’t anything to do with the corporate facilities upstairs - which have remained exactly as last year.
What the club have done is turn the bar/restaurant into a members bar (they have to charge to allow them to do this) which means they can serve drinks in glass not plastic, they have then offered hot drinks and snacks to try and compensate for this charge. If you don’t want to pay then you can go to the other bar.
Given the recent changes at the club, I think we should all welcome the corporate sponsors as their money is what will help keep the costs of our tickets/bar down.
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Post by michaelefc on Aug 15, 2018 7:38:03 GMT
Given the recent changes at the club, I think we should all welcome the corporate sponsors as their money is what will help keep the costs of our tickets/bar down.
Precisely!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 8:44:23 GMT
Given the recent changes at the club, I think we should all welcome the corporate sponsors as their money is what will help keep the costs of our tickets/bar down. Precisely! So if it is keeping tickets/bar prices down, why are they charging to go into Sherwoods? It is very nice in there, I went in there last season at no extra charge so why NOW? Why charge this season, you pay extra to drink out of a glass pint instead of plastic, you get free coffee/tea and snacks?
Look, in the real world if you want a coffee/tea, snack, you pay if you want it like anybody else. Don't force people to pay £3 if they have no intention of not having a coffee/tea and snack, but just drink out of a glass pint. Lets say 40 people were in there last night, how many took the coffee/tea and snack? It is sheer madness, you might just as well take three £1 coins out of your pocket and drop it down a drain along the road cos you've wasted it for nothing.
I can't believe you're paying £3 for a glass pint in a bar that only allows home supporters, it should be automatic in that environment anyway. Drop the £3 charge, let supporters themselves decide if they want coffee/tea and snacks, let them pay like you would anywhere else for it, and drink out of glass pints because its a home supporters only environment. You might just find more supporters going in for a drink, with Sky Sports in there as a bonus, and take more money over the bar than currently.
Have we got four owners with absolutely no business sense? Trying to rip off supporters with an entrance fee is plain bonkers after you've paid to get into the bloody ground.
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Post by championspitfire on Aug 15, 2018 9:14:37 GMT
To be honest I'm not sure what the issue is? The hangar is the same clubhouse as it's been for years and no one ever said 'I wish we had a new clubhouse' - there were no issues. The sherwoods bar is good because it gives some fans a slightly different experience and gives another revenue stream to the club.
Personally I still use the hangar, it's the same experience i've always had. I do really like the Sherwoods bar, but I probably would still use the hangar even if it was free.
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Post by crazyhorse on Aug 15, 2018 9:23:24 GMT
To be honest I'm not sure what the issue is? The hangar is the same clubhouse as it's been for years and no one ever said 'I wish we had a new clubhouse' - there were no issues. The sherwoods bar is good because it gives some fans a slightly different experience and gives another revenue stream to the club. Personally I still use the hangar, it's the same experience i've always had. I do really like the Sherwoods bar, but I probably would still use the hangar even if it was free. Absolutely!!!! Nothing has changed if you use the hangar. Just because people got a 'free' taste of Sherwoods last season, they want it to continue. If a fee is required to make Sherwoods pay for itself, then why not. Fans can CHOOSE to drink in there, or as before, in the Hangar. Compared to 2 years ago, nothing is different, apart from CHOICE.
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Post by blackie on Aug 15, 2018 11:11:53 GMT
So what if you got it for free last year, this season it was explicitly stated on the season ticket information that it was £50 or £5 per game to use Sherwoods. Read what was in front of you. The club have also made a concession in that it's only £3 and not £5 going forward. I paid not to be a prawn sandwich but to be able to drink out of a glass, sit down before, at half time and then full time and watch sky sports and not stand in a massive queue that the Hanger generally has. If you don't want to pay then go in the Hanger. SoE you seem to be in the minority of long standing fans who has a problem with this, most of the other dissenters on social media haven't been coming here that long. With the cheap season ticket price then the extra over the season for Sherwoods is hardly taxing. In Sherwooods last night there were plenty of fans who have been coming to EFC for some time. As with everthing consumable in life, you generally have a choice - pay to use Sherwoods or go in the Hanger. I'm happy to pay the extra as it goes to the club, if others choose different - that's entirely their own personal choice.
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Post by lassie on Aug 15, 2018 23:28:05 GMT
If they’re going to charge for entry then please can they improve the ladies toilets at the other end of the ground! (Probably not a concern to most members of this forum, but they are not great at all) Sherwoods have the only decent ones.
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Post by cure4type1 on Aug 16, 2018 7:13:58 GMT
"Look, in the real world if you want a coffee/tea, snack, you pay if you want it like anybody else. Don't force people to pay £3 if they have no intention of not having a coffee/tea and snack, but just drink out of a glass pint. Lets say 40 people were in there last night, how many took the coffee/tea and snack? It is sheer madness, you might just as well take three £1 coins out of your pocket and drop it down a drain along the road cos you've wasted it for nothing."
It is unfortunate that you feel that giving £3 to your club is the same as dropping it down the drain. How do you think the club keeps afloat now that we don't have a rich benefactor? Stewart's kind gestures such as discounted season tickets, bus subsidies etc. seem to have been taken for granted by the ungrateful few, do you really think gate receipts at these discounts will keep your club afloat? Why do you think handing over a few extra quid to the club you supposedly support is madness, why do you think it should always be take, take, take. Why do you think it is madness to give a little back?
I happily paid the £50 for the privilege of using a fantastic facility, the same as I paid £50 for parking, not because I necessarily thought is was good value, I justify it because I know the money is going to my club.
I did the same thing last season when I used the upstairs facility and I all honesty I far prefer the downstairs option. After two games using and enjoying Sherwoods, I am really looking forward to the rest of the season, and so perhaps it is not such bad value after all.
Perhaps you should try it, you may find that the £3 is not such bad value for money and if you still feel the same, you might just find that giving a little can be more rewarding that receiving.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 7:14:20 GMT
So what if you got it for free last year, this season it was explicitly stated on the season ticket information that it was £50 or £5 per game to use Sherwoods. Read what was in front of you. The club have also made a concession in that it's only £3 and not £5 going forward. I paid not to be a prawn sandwich but to be able to drink out of a glass, sit down before, at half time and then full time and watch sky sports and not stand in a massive queue that the Hanger generally has. If you don't want to pay then go in the Hanger. SoE you seem to be in the minority of long standing fans who has a problem with this, most of the other dissenters on social media haven't been coming here that long. With the cheap season ticket price then the extra over the season for Sherwoods is hardly taxing. In Sherwooods last night there were plenty of fans who have been coming to EFC for some time. As with everthing consumable in life, you generally have a choice - pay to use Sherwoods or go in the Hanger. I'm happy to pay the extra as it goes to the club, if others choose different - that's entirely their own personal choice. There are quite a few dissenters Blackie amongst the long standing fans, its just that they don't like to voice their opinions on here because of the way people tend to gang up on one person. Does'nt bother me in the slightest though, I voice my view and I accept the views others give back. You can tell on this forum that the majority are in favour of paying to go into Sherwoods, fair enough, but overall the silent majority outnumber those in favour by a long way, possibly 80% plus because you're being told to pay to enter a bar when you've already paid to enter the ground. Most think it is mean of the club to do it, it is not respecting their own supporters, merely taking advantage of them. With revenue streams of between £2.5m and £2.8m it is just so unnecessary. That's my take on the subject, I've said my piece....period.
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Post by nkc on Aug 16, 2018 8:45:23 GMT
Surely the argument about giving or not giving £3 to the club should really be about the owners assessing the income from Sherwood's membership plus the weekly £3 against any overall loss in income when combining the matchday profit from the Hangar and Sherwood's between this season and similar sized crowds last season. That will very quickly identify if the charge is outweighed or not by loss of footfall. Perhaps even if there is a significant loss to the club the commitment given may mean no change this season but may result in a change next. Of course it may well be that the payments more than offset any decrease in use or, you never know, there mayhave been no overall fall off between the two venues at all.
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Post by cure4type1 on Aug 16, 2018 10:18:33 GMT
Surely the argument about giving or not giving £3 to the club should really be about the owners assessing the income from Sherwood's membership plus the weekly £3 against any overall loss in income when combining the matchday profit from the Hangar and Sherwood's between this season and similar sized crowds last season. That will very quickly identify if the charge is outweighed or not by loss of footfall. Perhaps even if there is a significant loss to the club the commitment given may mean no change this season but may result in a change next. Of course it may well be that the payments more than offset any decrease in use or, you never know, there mayhave been no overall fall off between the two venues at all. I totally agree, it should all boil down to economics and the only way of testing a product is like with any business, you "suck it and see" Management have already shown that nothing is cast in stone, they are ready to adapt to suit as they go. Dropping the entrance fee from £5 to £3 is sensible and no, it does not miff me off that I paid £50 where in light of the reduction the "Season Ticket" would now probably also be reduced. All into EFC coffers you see Another matter to consider is, and I am not sure of my facts so please correct me if I'm wrong, if it were not a "private bar/members club" they would not be allowed to serve in glasses.
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Post by taylov on Aug 16, 2018 13:40:28 GMT
The bottom line is that on Tuesday evening just half an hour before KO, you could count the numbers in Sherwoods on your fingers (seriously). That should be ringing alarm bells with the club management.
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Post by nobadspitfire on Aug 16, 2018 14:03:53 GMT
The Management know how many Season Tickets were sold for Sherwoods & it could be that a lot of them didn't turn up on Tuesday evening for whatever reason. As someone said, it's a "suck it & see" thing. Personally, I prefer The Hangar & never have a problem with queues, probably because I get there early. But at the end of the day, let's give MJ, KA etc credit for trialling something that might appeal to some people at a premium, and let them decide to keep it going, or not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 15:27:03 GMT
No you're wrong Martin, they don't deserve credit on this issue, MJ, KA, JS, ect ect because you said it yourself "that might appeal to some people at a premium" there in one sentence is what I'm saying...prawn sandwich mob. They've already taken upstairs, and now if you're not careful they will have the bottom too. CORPORATE my boy is what this is all about, and sod the loyal supporters who are there through thick and thin come what may...but do you think the Corporate crowd will be? Loyalty is something this club has forgotten.
Apologies for responding when I stated I had said my last piece on the subject, but Martin's opinion that a lot did not turn up on Tuesday riles with me, so that is allowed is it, and continue to charge £3 to the ordinary man in the street.
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