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Post by RapidDecline on Apr 18, 2018 9:50:04 GMT
Interesting how Ebbsfleet dealt with the penalty. Set the scene . . . Pen gets awarded, instead of kicking off & remonstrating with 4th official, one of their coaches (Stevie Gritt. . . Charlton legend . . but that's by the by) immediately goes to the bench & grabs a folder. They look to see which Eastleigh player looks likely to take it, they see it's PC, they then look at the folder, flick through a few pages, look back up to see they've got the right player - and indicate to their keeper by pointing to the far side (their keepers left hand side) - he's seen raising hand slightly & nodding - next . . . PC steps up & places it exactly where they predicted. Now I know it wasn't rocket science & there was an element of risk that their homework on our players may not have been spot on, but in the world of probability, they clearly took a punt, based on this 'folder of facts' they had & therefore their keeps was told which side to dive - now again, this ain't rocket science & I ain't no Ben Strevs or AH (I know he wasn't there last night) but surely, if I could see what was going on from pitch side position, then why on earth couldn't our bench see the same thing?? We knew the side their keeps was going to dive before the pen was taken - he was told to & acknowledged - therefore, someone from our bench could have got a message across to PC & he could have placed it the opposite side - this could have been done descretely still - and as long as it was on target, we were practically guaranteed that their keeps was gonna dive the otherway ! Next time we get a pen, maybe we could get a 'descrete' system in place that covers this scenario ?!? The pen taker, just before stepping up, does one last glance at our bench, & if he gets a descrete signal, then he'll know which side to place it or which side their keeper has been told to dive (to be sorted out & agreed beforehand) As I said, I'm no Einstein & I've got better things to do when watching footy, but if I could see all this quite easily & sus out what was happening from a numpty football supporters point of view, . . . Why couldn't someone on our bench have done the same 😞
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Post by nobadspitfire on Apr 18, 2018 11:06:10 GMT
10/10 for observation, RapidDecline. Good comments.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 12:45:07 GMT
Just shows you what a good manager Ebbsfleet have, he covers every possible outcome, top player, now top manager in the making, 10/10 sir.
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Post by durkiboy on Apr 18, 2018 15:38:53 GMT
Interesting how Ebbsfleet dealt with the penalty. Set the scene . . . Pen gets awarded, instead of kicking off & remonstrating with 4th official, one of their coaches (Stevie Gritt. . . Charlton legend . . but that's by the by) immediately goes to the bench & grabs a folder. They look to see which Eastleigh player looks likely to take it, they see it's PC, they then look at the folder, flick through a few pages, look back up to see they've got the right player - and indicate to their keeper by pointing to the far side (their keepers left hand side) - he's seen raising hand slightly & nodding - next . . . PC steps up & places it exactly where they predicted. Now I know it wasn't rocket science & there was an element of risk that their homework on our players may not have been spot on, but in the world of probability, they clearly took a punt, based on this 'folder of facts' they had & therefore their keeps was told which side to dive - now again, this ain't rocket science & I ain't no Ben Strevs or AH (I know he wasn't there last night) but surely, if I could see what was going on from pitch side position, then why on earth couldn't our bench see the same thing?? We knew the side their keeps was going to dive before the pen was taken - he was told to & acknowledged - therefore, someone from our bench could have got a message across to PC & he could have placed it the opposite side - this could have been done descretely still - and as long as it was on target, we were practically guaranteed that their keeps was gonna dive the otherway ! Next time we get a pen, maybe we could get a 'descrete' system in place that covers this scenario ?!? The pen taker, just before stepping up, does one last glance at our bench, & if he gets a descrete signal, then he'll know which side to place it or which side their keeper has been told to dive (to be sorted out & agreed beforehand) As I said, I'm no Einstein & I've got better things to do when watching footy, but if I could see all this quite easily & sus out what was happening from a numpty football supporters point of view, . . . Why couldn't someone on our bench have done the same 😞 Mind you, if PC had actually hit the ball with a bit of gumption and not just passed it back to the 'keeper, who knows what would have happened.....
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Post by michaelefc on Apr 18, 2018 17:21:38 GMT
All this is just professionalism. In many ways, as a club, we have it in spades, in other areas we lack it big time.
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Post by back4more on Apr 18, 2018 17:26:56 GMT
Last night's match was frustrating to watch. The team went back to something more like the recent home match selections rather than the experimental side we put out at Gateshead. Ebbsfleet went flat out in the first half and Eastleigh coped well with that actually. Ebbsfleet had more possession and Eastleigh could have done with slowing the game down at times. One significant change to the team was Danny Hollands coming into midfield and Ryan Broom moving to right back. I think we had been more balanced with Broom in midfield with Sam Matthews and Cavaghn Miley and with Sam Togwell at right back. Ross Flitney was outstanding in goal and Chris Zebroski was excellent again though Paul McCallum looked a bit one paced. Was he left out at Gateshead and therefore suffering from a loss of momentum after his excellent performances in recent previous games? Mark Yeates still seems to give the ball away and it seems to me he just doesn't move the ball on quickly enough and I accept that might be to do with players around him. Michael Green looked fine coming on as sub late in the second half and it would be interesting to see if Yeates gets any better with Green playing in behind him. I would though also like to see if Sam Wood moving into midfield with Greener coming in at left back would work well. Second half Eastleigh were excellent and had control of midfield. Unfortunately the very reliable Nathan Ashmore inevitably saved the weak McCallum penalty which was the only thing the very poor referee gave us all night. It seems that referees always support any ex league side we are playing (in this case the latest incarnation of the old Gravesend) and give us nothing against them. He couldn't avoid giving the pen as it was a blatant trip under his nose. We looked potential winners as the second half went on but they got their goal from a simple well taken header in front of goal. We didn't manage to snatch a point or three in the dying minutes this time, not least because the ref did all the time wasting you'd want, taking an eternity to get himself and players into position for a free kick and a corner. Unlucky to lose but plenty of room for improvement.
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Post by hirsty on Apr 18, 2018 19:14:46 GMT
Last night's match was frustrating to watch. The team went back to something more like the recent home match selections rather than the experimental side we put out at Gateshead. Ebbsfleet went flat out in the first half and Eastleigh coped well with that actually. Ebbsfleet had more possession and Eastleigh could have done with slowing the game down at times. One significant change to the team was Danny Hollands coming into midfield and Ryan Broom moving to right back. I think we had been more balanced with Broom in midfield with Sam Matthews and Cavaghn Miley and with Sam Togwell at right back. Ross Flitney was outstanding in goal and Chris Zebroski was excellent again though Paul McCallum looked a bit one paced. Was he left out at Gateshead and therefore suffering from a loss of momentum after his excellent performances in recent previous games? Mark Yeates still seems to give the ball away and it seems to me he just doesn't move the ball on quickly enough and I accept that might be to do with players around him. Michael Green looked fine coming on as sub late in the second half and it would be interesting to see if Yeates gets any better with Green playing in behind him. I would though also like to see if Sam Wood moving into midfield with Greener coming in at left back would work well. Second half Eastleigh were excellent and had control of midfield. Unfortunately the very reliable Nathan Ashmore inevitably saved the weak McCallum penalty which was the only thing the very poor referee gave us all night. It seems that referees always support any ex league side we are playing (in this case the latest incarnation of the old Gravesend) and give us nothing against them. He couldn't avoid giving the pen as it was a blatant trip under his nose. We looked potential winners as the second half went on but they got their goal from a simple well taken header in front of goal. We didn't manage to snatch a point or three in the dying minutes this time, not least because the ref did all the time wasting you'd want, taking an eternity to get himself and players into position for a free kick and a corner. Unlucky to lose but plenty of room for improvement. Ex league side ? I don't think so mate ! Ex National League South maybe........ Cheers,
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Post by back4more on Apr 18, 2018 20:39:13 GMT
Yes hirsty. Ebbsfleet are the reincarnation of Gravesend who were definitely a league side. I thought I had referenced that in my post but sorry if it wasn't clear enough for your good self - mate?*!
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Post by Bruce Forbes on Apr 18, 2018 20:47:58 GMT
Yes hirsty. Ebbsfleet are the reincarnation of Gravesend who were definitely a league side. I thought I had referenced that in my post but sorry if it wasn't clear enough for your good self - mate?*! I can't remember Gravesend ever being in the League. The only clubs from Kent to ever achieve League status are Gillingham and Maidstone.
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Post by unknownquantity on Apr 18, 2018 20:52:45 GMT
I do not think that either Gravesend and Northfleet or the clubs that merged to form this club Gravesend United and Northfleet United ever played in the league.
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Post by unknownquantity on Apr 19, 2018 5:08:43 GMT
In any case I struggle with the notion that referees always favour ex league clubs we play against. If one looks at our record, I believe we have a plus score this season against former football league clubs and a record of 16 points from 19 games from those that have never played in the football league in any shape or form.
I can also think of a few games where the opposition have had players sent off that we have failed to win.
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Post by hirsty on Apr 19, 2018 6:45:18 GMT
Yes hirsty. Ebbsfleet are the reincarnation of Gravesend who were definitely a league side. I thought I had referenced that in my post but sorry if it wasn't clear enough for your good self - mate?*! I am well aware of the history thanks, but as unknownquantity has stated, not an ex league team. Cheers,
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Post by back4more on Apr 19, 2018 9:42:18 GMT
I was convinced purely from memory that Gravesend had once played in the football league but have to admit that my memory is wrong on this. I still hold that the referee on Tuesday night was very poor.
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Post by horseymchorseface on Apr 19, 2018 15:56:24 GMT
Yes, he was but time moves on. Pointless commenting on it now.
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Post by nobadspitfire on Apr 19, 2018 18:25:28 GMT
To be slightly, only just, more constructive in replying to you, John, have to say he is one of the referrees we have regularly and he's always carp. Just ask Andy Cavill what he thinks of him. Or for that matter, any referee.
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