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Post by fw on Dec 12, 2017 10:18:04 GMT
I believe the chairman can see the bigger picture , unfortunately on the pitch it’s gone somewhat backwards at the moment , however that will change and due to the infrastructure already in place we will be a very attractive club to play for, nothing wrong with a bit of forward planning , oh and by the way I have not done to badly in business so I can speak with a little bit of experience.
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Post by bomber on Dec 12, 2017 11:56:49 GMT
I believe the chairman can see the bigger picture , unfortunately on the pitch it’s gone somewhat backwards at the moment , however that will change and due to the infrastructure already in place we will be a very attractive club to play for, nothing wrong with a bit of forward planning , oh and by the way I have not done to badly in business so I can speak with a little bit of experience. Nor have I, but I'm not paying productivity bonus before the work is completed. Deliver the goods, then the rewards will come.
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Post by cure4type1 on Dec 12, 2017 19:01:06 GMT
What I cannot understand is why so many supporters are concerned by what SD spends his money on.
If the team were under budgeted then yes, possibly we should spend more on the team and less on the infrastructure, IF SD could not fund both, current projects AND a decent team budget. We all know this is not the case, we have one of the highest budgets in the league and if it made any sense increasing the budget then I am sure SD would do so.
Only a fool would believe that throwing money at the team will automatically bring success. Our budget is big enough, now we have to develop a winning team. We can debate how and by which manager this should be done, but to ridicule the progress we are making off the field is short sighted and akin to looking a gift horse in the mouth. If we are looking positively at the future then we must prepare for it off the field as well as on it.
If you want success on the field, you need the infrastructure off it FIRST!!
Look at Gretna as an example of doing it the other way around, they found a rich benefactor who spent loads on the team and Zip on the infrastructure and where are they today, back where they started in the same crappy ground playing in an even lower crappy league.
The very worst that can happen to us if SD pulled out would be that we would have a paid for platform that would guarantee fantastic revenue to rebuild with and we would be a the envy of every team that visited us, and this is a bad thing??
That's just NUTS!!!
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Post by hey55 on Dec 12, 2017 19:11:41 GMT
Well put, my thoughts entirely, some say they would like to go back down to the National South, well l don`t it took a long time to get here and we are staying here ,SD is going to provide some pretty amazing facilities and future investment to make it all happen, just go along with things for a short while and it WILL get better
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Post by fw on Dec 12, 2017 19:19:15 GMT
I am glad i am not the only one that sees the infastructure as an important part of the jigsaw. I really believe our improving ground facilities WILL pay dividends in the end towards a better stronger team. At the same time i am still disapointed with some of our performances before i am accused of being a serial glass half full merchant !
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Post by fairoakfan on Dec 12, 2017 21:06:52 GMT
I agree entirely, you need a decent ground to attract fans, players, sponsors etc so that has to the way, we obviously want better matches and results but that can happen in a dilapidated old ground or one with some decent facilities. I don't really get the what's the point argument , lots of empty seats etc, it will all come in time, just look at where the club was a few years back. I really like this league, definitely not ready for the step up in my opinion , results clearly show that , ground is nearly up there so all in all we are where we are, we have to stay up which I think we will then next season have another go with hopefully a few better players. Looking at the building works so far , it's not as if it's a 25000 all seated totally executive style ground that costs £35 to get in, what it is is a very nice little ground with getting better facilities that has a lovely local feel and a great afternoon or evening out. Have said it many times we are so much better off than a few years ago let's not run before we can walk. The stadium is ongoing and hopefully things improve on it and next season everyone will be buzzing again , who will come down next season, which grounds will we visit etc ....that's football .
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Post by michaelefc on Dec 13, 2017 8:34:09 GMT
we have one of the highest budgets in the league
This may be the case now, but my understanding is that it certainly won't be next season.
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Post by taylov on Dec 13, 2017 9:17:07 GMT
we have one of the highest budgets in the league This may be the case now, but my understanding is that it certainly won't be next season. Exactly what SD stated in his last BBC Radio Solent interview.
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Post by bomber on Dec 13, 2017 10:48:37 GMT
I agree entirely, you need a decent ground to attract fans, players. Yeah that's going well isn't it. The facts are our ground improvements have so far resulted in a drop of over 750 (roughly) fans from just over a year ago and we haven't replaced players with anything like the quality that got let go when Martin Allen was here. Your average football supporter wants to see winning and hopefully entertaining football. Look at all the clubs in the football league with shiny new grounds and spanking facilities, playing in front of half capacity crowds because they're not winning games. Sunderland and Boro, Blackburn, Fulham, as soon as they're relegated the attendances drop dramatically. Even Southampton, you can get a ticket on the day for practically every game. I'm telling you now, success on the pitch first equals growth off it. In every walk of life this theory stands.
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Post by cure4type1 on Dec 13, 2017 14:21:56 GMT
we have one of the highest budgets in the league This may be the case now, but my understanding is that it certainly won't be next season. Exactly what SD stated in his last BBC Radio Solent interview. Does this suggest that SD has a) lost ambition b) run out of money or c) realised that you cannot buy the league and need to build towards success. I prefer option (c) as (a) is almost inconceivable and (b) is highly unlikely considering the ongoing development at the ground. ""Bomber - Yeah that's going well isn't it. The facts are our ground improvements have so far resulted in a drop of over 750 (roughly) fans from just over a year ago and we haven't replaced players with anything like the quality that got let go when Martin Allen was here."" Are you really suggesting that attendances have dropped due to ground improvements? If you are, this is absolutely bizarre and maybe you can explain just how you come to that conclusion. It is not rocket science that poor performance equals a drop in gate and one thing we all possible agree on is that we have not bought well, this is not to say we have not spent big money on players, just that the players we have bought have not gelled well and we can argue 'till the cows come home for the reasons for this. Double NUTS!!
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Post by ballboy on Dec 13, 2017 14:27:58 GMT
The ground improvements haven't resulted in the drop of fans which is solely down to team performance. Spending on ground improvements does not affect team performance or are some people suggesting that this is the case.
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Post by bomber on Dec 13, 2017 14:45:13 GMT
Exactly what SD stated in his last BBC Radio Solent interview. Does this suggest that SD has a) lost ambition b) run out of money or c) realised that you cannot buy the league and need to build towards success. I prefer option (c) as (a) is almost inconceivable and (b) is highly unlikely considering the ongoing development at the ground. ""Bomber - Yeah that's going well isn't it. The facts are our ground improvements have so far resulted in a drop of over 750 (roughly) fans from just over a year ago and we haven't replaced players with anything like the quality that got let go when Martin Allen was here."" Are you really suggesting that attendances have dropped due to ground improvements? If you are, this is absolutely bizarre and maybe you can explain just how you come to that conclusion. I think the irony of my post has gone over people's heads. I was replying to the post where fairoakfan said ''I agree entirely, you need a decent ground to attract fans''. My opinion, as stated many many times, is that people (on the whole) aren't interested in what facilities there are or how nice the ground is, if you like that sort of thing (you can tell this by the still popular & busy old clubhouse)....all people want is success on the pitch. Get that right, then start doing up the ground.
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Post by fw on Dec 13, 2017 15:33:44 GMT
Alot of the ground improvements were either well on the way or already agreed on before our drop in form, i believe if we now halted the progress of the ground that would have a negative effect on the whole club, Everyone will have their opinions and rightly so but i think every improvement whether on or off the pitch will eventually pay dividends across the whole picture , only my opinion by the way
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Post by willk on Dec 13, 2017 15:56:21 GMT
Bomber is quite right of course, what sort of failing business with falling orders purchases extra office space which they'll never need? It is totally bizarre concept, but of course this is football so no place for sound business acumen. 99% of fans care not one bit for facilities, you go ask Arsenal, West Ham, Sunderland, Derby fans which grounds they preferred going to and it wont be the shiny new plastic atmosphere-less ones they're now in. If people want brand new facilities why is the new clubhouse with its 72 plasma Tvs, pot plants and waitress service empty compared to a ramshackle old clubhouse?-its called atmosphere. Eastleigh's ground is already as good as most league 2 clubs so why the push on for somewhere we are never going to get to?
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Post by bomber on Dec 13, 2017 16:06:18 GMT
Precisely.
Spend it replacing the decent players that Martin Allen deemed not good enough instead. Halt all ground improvements now & buy some decent defenders.
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