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Post by swb on Aug 14, 2017 15:16:06 GMT
Ok, it was me that got attacked by 3 of them, and all I did was give banter back. The stewards were as useful as a chocolate teapot. This was all videoed and will be used as evidence. The stewarding today was abysmal, the main perpetrator is known to to the club as he caused the trouble last year, and he was standing outside of the gste at the Mackoy end waiting to start trouble. So, before you all jump to conclusions, get your facts straight. I was down the other end of the ground when the match ended so saw nothing of the incident and am only going by what has been said on his forum. I read what had gone on with dismay when I got home and it has been running around in my head all evening so have had to comment. You were `giving as good as you got` in the, I would presume, not too polite Banter department. Seems incredible you were doing this while looking after your own child, but still that is up to you. But then to blame the stewards for what followed beggars believe. They were supposed to intervene between you and a few Daggers idiots, you got to be joking Reminds of a dog that lived in our street when I was young. He would run along the front fence of his own garden whenever anybody walked by. Scared all us kids I will tell you. One day an adult walked along the fence and got the usual reception from the dog but as the dog worked his way, barking furiously, along the fence he suddenly saw that the garden gate was open and he was suddenly confronted by this man with no intervening fence. He ran as fast as he could around to the back of his garden barking all the way. Since posting this thread other posts have given a clearer picture of what happened hence I would like to apologise for jumping the gun with my comments. The open letter from the Daggers MD. on their website seems s to sum up the situation and shows that the Eastleigh fans were not to blame
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Post by durkiboy on Aug 14, 2017 15:23:07 GMT
I was down the other end of the ground when the match ended so saw nothing of the incident and am only going by what has been said on his forum. I read what had gone on with dismay when I got home and it has been running around in my head all evening so have had to comment. You were `giving as good as you got` in the, I would presume, not too polite Banter department. Seems incredible you were doing this while looking after your own child, but still that is up to you. But then to blame the stewards for what followed beggars believe. They were supposed to intervene between you and a few Daggers idiots, you got to be joking Reminds of a dog that lived in our street when I was young. He would run along the front fence of his own garden whenever anybody walked by. Scared all us kids I will tell you. One day an adult walked along the fence and got the usual reception from the dog but as the dog worked his way, barking furiously, along the fence he suddenly saw that the garden gate was open and he was suddenly confronted by this man with no intervening fence. He ran as fast as he could around to the back of his garden barking all the way. Since posting this thread other posts have given a clearer picture of what happened hence I would like to apologise for jumping the gun with my comments. The open letter from the Daggers MD. on their website seems s to sum up the situation and shows that the Eastleigh fans were not to blame Accepted, thank you
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Post by sufc on Aug 14, 2017 15:41:06 GMT
This is going to ruin our club Your young fans let you down at Sutton last season. Maybe giving them free coach travel to away games is counterproductive.
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Post by michaelefc on Aug 14, 2017 15:53:23 GMT
If we can't encourage our young fans from following the club, we might as well pack up and go home. The bigger the fan base, the more trouble makers we will have following the club; that's just a statistical fact. However lets be clear, out of an average support of maybe 1700 people, I would be very surprised if more than 20 of any age are actively seeking trouble. The vast majority of youngsters who follow EFC are football fans just like you and me they just happen to be young that's all.
My clear message is to encourage as many people to follow the club home and away, no matter what the age. Lets make it clear we don't want stupid behaviour and if we repeatedly do have such behaviour, then we need to root out those responsible, but for goodness sake, lets not start discouraging young people from following the club; do that and the club will die when we do.
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Post by stewartdonald on Aug 14, 2017 21:17:40 GMT
I was down the other end of the ground when the match ended so saw nothing of the incident and am only going by what has been said on his forum. I read what had gone on with dismay when I got home and it has been running around in my head all evening so have had to comment. You were `giving as good as you got` in the, I would presume, not too polite Banter department. Seems incredible you were doing this while looking after your own child, but still that is up to you. But then to blame the stewards for what followed beggars believe. They were supposed to intervene between you and a few Daggers idiots, you got to be joking Reminds of a dog that lived in our street when I was young. He would run along the front fence of his own garden whenever anybody walked by. Scared all us kids I will tell you. One day an adult walked along the fence and got the usual reception from the dog but as the dog worked his way, barking furiously, along the fence he suddenly saw that the garden gate was open and he was suddenly confronted by this man with no intervening fence. He ran as fast as he could around to the back of his garden barking all the way. Since posting this thread other posts have given a clearer picture of what happened hence I would like to apologise for jumping the gun with my comments. The open letter from the Daggers MD. on their website seems s to sum up the situation and shows that the Eastleigh fans were not to blame We will be making our own statement shortly but I'm afraid we are not whiter than white here SWB. Yes we need to look into the away fans conduct however unfortunately we have received far more complaints about our fans from officials, our own fans and also staff, who I'm afraid do not paint a very good picture of a tiny minority. Most of the issues are actually around a few older fans rather than our younger element so we need to be careful not to tar everyone with the same brush but we will conduct a thorough investigation with the Police and Dagenham and I'm afraid whilst the club accepts it could always manage things better there will no doubt be serious ramifications for a few of our fans and increased ongoing costs for us - well me actually as I am sure no one else wants to pay!! We have tried to let our fans Police themselves to a degree but it is clear that we will have to increase costs and alter the ground arrangements to ensure that the very few people who are ruining the match day experience for others are less likely to be able to do so. The ground arrangements will certainly be different Saturday to try and ensure any issue are kept to a minimum. I also appreciate a few people have questioned the stewarding which I am sure will be reviewed and if we do that perhaps a few of our fans could review there behaviour at the same time then the problems should reduce. I will not comment further other than to say we will issue a formal statement over the next few days but i am afraid to give the impression all our fans behaved properly from start to finish on Saturday is wrong. As with all these things 99% did but I'm afraid there are 1% of people who did overstep the mark according to a very large number of unimpressed Eastleigh fans amongst others - so clearly something needs to be done - and it will be.
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Post by westendspitfire on Aug 15, 2017 4:31:25 GMT
Looking at all the comments on social media it does seem there were plenty of opportunities for our fans to turn the other cheek but instead they chose to increase the tension then blamed the stewarding.
Will be a shame to see the no mans land in the mackoy grow ever wider and guess they will stop the youngsters getting together as happened after d&r last season.
However with the next two home games attracting a large away following I don't envy those trying to keep a lid on it.
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Post by swb on Aug 15, 2017 11:17:04 GMT
Since posting this thread other posts have given a clearer picture of what happened hence I would like to apologise for jumping the gun with my comments. The open letter from the Daggers MD. on their website seems s to sum up the situation and shows that the Eastleigh fans were not to blame We will be making our own statement shortly but I'm afraid we are not whiter than white here SWB. Yes we need to look into the away fans conduct however unfortunately we have received far more complaints about our fans from officials, our own fans and also staff, who I'm afraid do not paint a very good picture of a tiny minority. Most of the issues are actually around a few older fans rather than our younger element so we need to be careful not to tar everyone with the same brush but we will conduct a thorough investigation with the Police and Dagenham and I'm afraid whilst the club accepts it could always manage things better there will no doubt be serious ramifications for a few of our fans and increased ongoing costs for us - well me actually as I am sure no one else wants to pay!! We have tried to let our fans Police themselves to a degree but it is clear that we will have to increase costs and alter the ground arrangements to ensure that the very few people who are ruining the match day experience for others are less likely to be able to do so. The ground arrangements will certainly be different Saturday to try and ensure any issue are kept to a minimum. I also appreciate a few people have questioned the stewarding which I am sure will be reviewed and if we do that perhaps a few of our fans could review there behaviour at the same time then the problems should reduce. I will not comment further other than to say we will issue a formal statement over the next few days but i am afraid to give the impression all our fans behaved properly from start to finish on Saturday is wrong. As with all these things 99% did but I'm afraid there are 1% of people who did overstep the mark according to a very large number of unimpressed Eastleigh fans amongst others - so clearly something needs to be done - and it will be. Thanks Stuart. The banter between football fans is the norm, it is healthy, often it is fun ( especially the singing competitions ) but, personally, I cannot understand the logic behind the aggressive side of it. I cannot understand one of the posts on this thread `All these Eastleigh supporters that witnessed a small handful of Dagenham fans dishing out a few slaps and not one of you thought to get stuck in and see them off. Disgusting.` What a stupid response. Such a sad situation you and tour team find yourselves in due to a very few idiots but I suppose this is one of the more unwanted things that will now be a part of our club as we progress up the League ladder.
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Post by stew5018 on Aug 15, 2017 12:30:22 GMT
It seems to me having gone to approx 65 league grounds that moving up the league ladder does not necessarily mean that violence will take place. This is for a number of reasons including: supporters are registered to buy tickets which allows easier detection of offenders,better segregation-including after the game, escorting of away fans to coaches, stricter stewarding-including on away coaches, police involvement at all games meaning the issuing of football banning orders and enforcement as necessary, searching of fans at many grounds, better videoing of offenders. Lets stop pretending that eastleigh is this little family friendly club-it certainly isn't. The management have to get tougher We all know who causes issues both home and away. Currently I wont use the main stand with my grandson and I wont wear my eastleigh colours at away games. i have every respect for Mr Donald and everything he does for the Club. However if Eastleigh wants to be seen as a professional football club then it urgently needs to take measures to make itself one. Very small measures could be taken with minimal cost to do so. Controversially increase the coach prices-reinvest that money in more stewards. Prevent smoking in the stadium-I know of no other league club that allows this,hold in away supporters at EFC if necessary-build it into the ground regulations, give meaningful bans for bad behaviour at both home and away grounds. Small steps which will inflame some of you-but ultimately you have a choice. Bottom line is when you go to an away stadium you have to abide by their ground regulations--we should be no different. Decent supporters-there for the football not violence will have no issue with small measures being implemented. There is a lot to learn from football clubs higher in the pyriamid. if they can effectively manage crowds of 30000 upwards we should easily be able to implement measures with an average attendance of 2000
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Post by bomber on Aug 15, 2017 14:03:55 GMT
It seems to me having gone to approx 65 league grounds that moving up the league ladder does not necessarily mean that violence will take place. This is for a number of reasons including: supporters are registered to buy tickets which allows easier detection of offenders,better segregation-including after the game, escorting of away fans to coaches, stricter stewarding-including on away coaches, police involvement at all games meaning the issuing of football banning orders and enforcement as necessary, searching of fans at many grounds, better videoing of offenders. Lets stop pretending that eastleigh is this little family friendly club-it certainly isn't. The management have to get tougher We all know who causes issues both home and away. Currently I wont use the main stand with my grandson and I wont wear my eastleigh colours at away games. i have every respect for Mr Donald and everything he does for the Club. However if Eastleigh wants to be seen as a professional football club then it urgently needs to take measures to make itself one. Very small measures could be taken with minimal cost to do so. Controversially increase the coach prices-reinvest that money in more stewards. Prevent smoking in the stadium-I know of no other league club that allows this,hold in away supporters at EFC if necessary-build it into the ground regulations, give meaningful bans for bad behaviour at both home and away grounds. Small steps which will inflame some of you-but ultimately you have a choice. Bottom line is when you go to an away stadium you have to abide by their ground regulations--we should be no different. Decent supporters-there for the football not violence will have no issue with small measures being implemented. There is a lot to learn from football clubs higher in the pyriamid. if they can effectively manage crowds of 30000 upwards we should easily be able to implement measures with an average attendance of 2000 '' Prevent smoking in the stadium'' Another step in turning people away. There's plenty of places where smoking is banned at Eastleigh & you are the first person I have ever heard complain about it, and I don't smoke! For the record, I have seen on social media a photo of these D&R fellas giving it the big 'un. On Saturday about 5 of them came onto the decking outside the Hangar & I was racking my brains wondering where I'd seen them before, and they were as quiet as church mice. I don't suppose they fancied it much when they saw what they were up against if they chose there & then to kick off. When I went into the green seats with my boys those fella's were the same one's playing up in the fixture from last year, that's when my memory was jogged. They are a bunch of absolute sh*thouses who can only handle a bloke with his nipper. Absolute melts.
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Post by stew5018 on Aug 15, 2017 14:21:38 GMT
Do you honestly believe football fans wont go to matches if they can't smoke in the Stadium. get real!!! Are their 60000 non smokers at Wembley Man u, man City arsenal etc!!!! Maybe im the first because I chose to mention it!! we are all entitled to our opinions-urs isnt the only one that matters. amazing the only point you picked up on was that one!!!!
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Post by bomber on Aug 15, 2017 14:46:20 GMT
Do you honestly believe football fans wont go to matches if they can't smoke in the Stadium. get real!!! Are their 60000 non smokers at Wembley Man u, man City arsenal etc!!!! Maybe im the first because I chose to mention it!! we are all entitled to our opinions-urs isnt the only one that matters. amazing the only point you picked up on was that one!!!! Eastleigh lost a few of the old regulars because promotion prevented drinking during the game, you're misguided if you think people won't come if they can't have a fag, because they will stop I can assure you, I've been told personally. The pub trade died off significantly when the smoking ban came into play, and rightly so, smoking inside is archaic. Where have I said my opinion is the only one that matters? Calm down, you sound like a scouser. Setting world land speed records is amazing, not agreeing with only one of your points. Anyway, there are all sides of the ground where you can stand or sit, nowhere near smokers & have the best view of the game, stop whining because a minority people stand uncovered in the corners having a smoke for Gods sake.
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Post by michaelefc on Aug 15, 2017 16:16:39 GMT
Let me be the second to mention it. Ban smoking in the ground. Great idea, would improve my match experience, and my girl friend who reacts badly to cigarette smoke would be delighted if it were banned.
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Post by ajc on Aug 15, 2017 16:32:26 GMT
I thought the only place you could smoke was on the flat hard standing areas , can you smoke in the terraced areas and seating areas? ive never taken any notice
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Post by ajc on Aug 15, 2017 16:33:15 GMT
I thought the only place you could smoke was on the flat hard standing areas , can you smoke in the terraced areas and seating areas? ive never taken any notice
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Post by bomber on Aug 15, 2017 16:41:38 GMT
I thought the only place you could smoke was on the flat hard standing areas , can you smoke in the terraced areas and seating areas? ive never taken any notice No you can't. Anywhere where you can watch the game under a roof is a no smoking area.
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