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Post by tonysmith on Aug 13, 2017 10:02:38 GMT
I really don’t think the stewards and in particular Richard Montague should be singled out in respect of yesterday’s incidents.
Firstly I am led to believe that we were let down by 11 stewards not turning up yesterday.
Secondly the stewards are not there to protect our fans when some of our fans get themselves into avoidable situations by their behaviour with away supporters! I did not witness the events afterwards but from what I have read one person with his own young child and by his own admission got himself into a situation that put his child and others at risk.
Maybe in hindsight the incident in the McCoy stand could have been handled better but as has been reported on social media the stewards are being criticised for trying to defuse the situation as I understand it by trying to calm our own fans down. Probably not a bad move in the circumstances?
The club knew that last time D&R visited we had a similar situation and could have asked for a police presence on the day. I can’t help but think that last year’s issues are still very sore for some people and I think we all understand that.
The club could have called the game off (I’m sure that would have suited D&R as they had concerns about the pitch) on the grounds of crowd safety but chose not to. If that had happened the forum and FB would still be as lively this morning but on a different but similar topic.
There are a few clubs travelling supporters who pose a risk to safety and we usually on those occasions have a police presence.......maybe this fixture needs that next year if we are both still in this league.
I’m sorry if my seemingly laid back approach to this appears dismissive but from what I have read and putting the stewarding issue to one side, some of our supporters must take some share of any blame for yesterday.
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Post by nobadspitfire on Aug 13, 2017 10:11:32 GMT
Excellent post, Tony.
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Post by tony on Aug 13, 2017 11:42:05 GMT
I've only been attending for the last few seasons, but that was the first time I've left the ground and had to walk past away fans waiting at the exit with clear malintent. To be fair it was a small number of cretins that had probably seen Green Street a few too many times, and having experienced far worse situations at larger grounds it was frankly ridiculous. I didn't feel particularly threatened, but I can imagine that some people did.
It has to be said though, the lack of effective stewarding meant these few idiots felt able to attack at least one of our fellow supporters with what now appears to be complete impunity. Without police attendance the stewards are the only deterrent against misbehaviour, there simply wasn't enough of them to do this.
The fact that another match was taking place at the same time nearby should be of no consequence. I don't know how the club approaches their obligations in this regard, but if I contracted an organisation to steward an event I wouldn't want to hear about somewhere else down the road that might be more profitable for them. The numbers should be there and they should be capable to fulfilling their objectives, end of story. If this organisation can't cope with two events at once then the club should wish them well with their other more preferred clients and look elsewhere.
I don't envy the stewards that were there yesterday. They're all good people doing a very difficult and important job. But they just didn't stand a chance and in my view were left woefully exposed by their management.
I hope the club listens carefully to those directly affected by what happened yesterday (remember, that could've been any one of us) and takes action to ensure the same circumstances don't occur again. A more organised group of miscreants in greater numbers and the story might have been far worse.
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Post by stew5018 on Aug 13, 2017 18:56:04 GMT
Every game has to be risk assessed and appropriate measures taken- whether that be better and more efficient segregation, additional Stewards or Policing. Hampshire Police where at Bromley away liaising with their Metropolitan colleagues-and clearly there are going to be ocassions this year when the same should happen. I really feel that the policing of the games either by stewards or hampshire police now needs to be more robust. Maybe it is time to grade each home match depending on perceived risk. Prevention really is better than trying to investigate afterwards. I am sure the club will look into what happened yesterday and this should include the behaviour of both sets of fans both during and after the match. one thing is certain and that is that eastleigh fans are in for a less than enthusiastic reception at the return fixture-as indeed we were last season when we were mucked about right up to the last minute. I believe that even at this early stage Hampshire Police should be asked to attend that game in a preventative role but also so that prompt action can be taken against any spitfire fans intent on revenge. This has to stop.
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Post by Bruce Forbes on Aug 13, 2017 19:31:08 GMT
So you watched the daggers fans looking for trouble all game trying to get across the divide. You then decide to give some banter on the way out and get a smack. Very clever that, keep it shut and wallk away, all whilst having your son with you. Seem plebty of people like that before. They won't hit me I've got my son with me. This happened inside the ground, their supporters came in through the exit at the mackoy and the stewards did naff all. If you saw it then comment, if not, button it and stop jumping to conlusions....... durkiboy, It says on the Dagenham forum that they have seen on Twitter or somewhere that you are considering suing Eastleigh Football Club because you say that the stewards weren't doing their jobs properly. If this is the case, you should be ashamed of yourself. |
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Post by dave on Aug 13, 2017 22:27:28 GMT
So you watched the daggers fans looking for trouble all game trying to get across the divide. You then decide to give some banter on the way out and get a smack. Very clever that, keep it shut and wallk away, all whilst having your son with you. Seem plebty of people like that before. They won't hit me I've got my son with me. This happened inside the ground, their supporters came in through the exit at the mackoy and the stewards did naff all. If you saw it then comment, if not, button it and stop jumping to conlusions....... ADMIN - wasn't "button it" the words used to ban Sattsy - hopefully that applies to all rather than proving that was a witch hunt against him! |
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Post by upthespitfires on Aug 14, 2017 3:38:33 GMT
Ok, it was me that got attacked by 3 of them, and all I did was give banter back. The stewards were as useful as a chocolate teapot. This was all videoed and will be used as evidence. The stewarding today was abysmal, the main perpetrator is known to the club as he caused the trouble last year, and he was standing outside of the gste at the Mackoy end waiting to start trouble. So, before you all jump to conclusions, get your facts straight. So you watched the daggers fans looking for trouble all game trying to get across the divide. You then decide to give some banter on the way out and get a smack. Very clever that, keep it shut and wallk away, all whilst having your son with you. Seem plebty of people like that before. They won't hit me I've got my son with me. I cannot believe I'm reading the responses to this incident. The person involved had not gone 'looking for trouble', neither is he a known 'troublemaker'. Are there no other fans who have 'banter' with opposing fans? The D&R fans came back into the ground and physically attacked the man involved, whilst his son pleaded for them to stop hurting him. If you recall from last year, a couple of chaps were banned from grounds for the hurtful language directed at Kyle. They had also caused trouble at Borehamwood and another club - on each occasion for physical or verbal assault on disabled people. Were you all aware this happened again after the match on Saturday? Unfortunately the minority of idiots have given Dagenham and Redbridge a bad name but both clubs have worked together to resolve this and (as we understood) had banned the person/people involved. Where some of your facts have come from I have no idea but please leave the victim alone. He and his son suffered a traumatic experience and do not deserve the comments that have been put on here. There is NEVER an excuse for physical abuse and I would expect a zero tolerance level for that. Neither should such awful hatred words to be used yet again to Kyle. He is now frightened of going back due to this repeated incident. The stewarding issue certainly does need reviewing as a matter of urgency. |
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Post by Bruce Forbes on Aug 14, 2017 5:36:55 GMT
"Banter" is between friends.
When it is with complete strangers, it is either bullying or plain simple abuse.
If I were to verbally abuse a complete stranger in the street, I think that I would reasonably expect that he may want to have a dig at me.
Why should it be different at a football ground.
I despair of society today. We have a generation who throw abuse from their keyboards, knowing that there will be no retribution, but when they actually abuse face to face, expect that there will be someone to come and protect them.
It is unfortunate that this individual had a traumatic experience, but he really must accept the he should take the consequences for his actions.
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Post by upthespitfires on Aug 14, 2017 6:41:42 GMT
So why did they emotionally abuse Kyle? No banter or verbal abuse was said for him to be treated with such terrible emotional abuse. Why wasn't everyone physically assaulted because of the banter? I regularly go to away days and 100% of the time there is banter throughout the match when away fans are next to home fans. It's all lighthearted and the opposing fans are probably the same ones we'd been chatting with in the bar, arranging meet ups at the Silverlake. I have never seen it become a trigger for assault.
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Post by hantslondoner on Aug 14, 2017 8:03:22 GMT
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Post by swb on Aug 14, 2017 9:45:42 GMT
All these Eastleigh supporters that witnessed a small handful of Dagenham fans dishing out a few slaps and not one of you thought to get stuck in and see them off. Disgusting. That would of really helped, i don't think |
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Post by ballboy on Aug 14, 2017 13:36:31 GMT
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Post by michaelefc on Aug 14, 2017 13:58:54 GMT
Fair play to Dagenham. You can't say fairer than that.
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Post by bomber on Aug 14, 2017 14:48:17 GMT
All these Eastleigh supporters that witnessed a small handful of Dagenham fans dishing out a few slaps and not one of you thought to get stuck in and see them off. Disgusting. It would've helped the lad that was getting stoved in. We're all Eastleigh ain't we? |
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Post by stew5018 on Aug 14, 2017 15:07:58 GMT
Well done dagenham-- but i wish EFC would adopt the same stance
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