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Post by blueandwhite on Feb 28, 2018 21:59:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 8:06:03 GMT
Jeff Stelling reckons without that vital £600k needed to save the club they will fold before the end of the season. In which case only their results from the first half of the season will count if they withdraw (by first half it means first game against every other club in the league)
That would mean Macclesfield, Dover, Maidenhead, Dagenham, Wrexham, Eastleigh, Halifax and Ebbsfleet all lose 3 points, Gateshead and Chester lose 1 point, and Woking none.
Macclesfield's lead would be cut from 5 down to two points, the next four teams in the table have no deductions, Sutton, Tranmere, Aldershot and Boreham Wood. Five points would then split those five teams from each other.
At the bottom our 11 point cushion would become 6 points with Hartlepool dropping out of the league. The bottom would be like this as things stand...
Orient......42 Points Eastleigh...42 Maidstone...39 Halifax.....36 -------------- Solihull....34 Chester.....29 Torquay.....27 Guiseley....25
I would find this scenario very very scary because the fixtures don't make good viewing...Maidstone still have to play, Solihull, Torquay, Guiseley, Chester. While Halifax have Guiseley and Torquay. I've kept the worse bit til last....last game of the season is Maidstone v Halifax. Solihull have to play, Torquay, Halifax, Guiseley and ourselves on the last day of the season.
I think we all better hope Jeff Stelling can save Hartlepool, I don't like this one little bit, our run in looks a great deal worse now than it did if Hartlepool goes pop.
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Post by michaelefc on Mar 1, 2018 8:31:01 GMT
They won't fold before the end of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 8:47:08 GMT
I hope you're right Michael but they are saying they could fold within a week at this moment!!!!
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Post by hantslondoner on Mar 1, 2018 9:33:12 GMT
If they did fold then wouldn't it be the bottom three getting relegated? In which case we're a long way above Chester.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 11:58:40 GMT
If they did fold then wouldn't it be the bottom three getting relegated? In which case we're a long way above Chester. Never considered that but yes you are absolutely right hantslondoner, and given the nightmare run in Chester have, if Hartlepool fold we're pretty safe.
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Post by nkc on Mar 1, 2018 16:34:39 GMT
As far as I can see from the league rules any team not completing the season has their full record expunged and not just second games against teams. Assume you have seen the information somewhere regarding first games counting, would be interested to know where especially as it appears to be totally out of line with all other leagues, but there again when did anything to do with football have a common sense approach.
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Post by taylov on Mar 1, 2018 17:55:22 GMT
Reg 12.9 (National League)- "A club which, for whatever reason ceases to operate at any time during the playing season may have its playing record expunged."
There isn't any mention of first games counting or any other hybrid arrangement.
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Post by michaelefc on Mar 1, 2018 18:06:28 GMT
It says "may" which presumably means the whole thing is discretionary. I still can't see them not completing the season.
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Post by taylov on Mar 1, 2018 18:10:04 GMT
The "may" means that an appeal is possible.
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Post by tenacres on Mar 1, 2018 21:19:37 GMT
Reg 12.9 (National League)- " A club which, for whatever reason ceases to operate at any time during the playing season may have its playing record expunged."There isn't any mention of first games counting or any other hybrid arrangement. Chester City FC in 2009/2010 failed to complete the conference season and had their results expunged. I'm sure they (Hartlepool) will muddle through to the end of the season and I reckon they will stay up too.
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Post by michaelefc on Mar 1, 2018 21:42:29 GMT
taylov - You may well be right, I am ignorant on this; but as quoted that's not what reg 12.9 says.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 7:05:35 GMT
It was always my belief that if a club completed at least one game against each club those first game results would stand. Obviously if that was not completed then all results would be expunged. Possibly somebody has made the point doing one result only is unfair on home/away issues, arguing I suppose it would be easier to secure 3 points from a home win as opposed to getting them away. The regulation 12.9 is not very clear either way and that would also I suppose suggest if they did allow first game results only, an unhappy club possibly losing a title or play off place could make a legal challenge. With that in mind I'd say they would take out their results altogether....we'd lose 6 points!!!! Come on Jeff Stelling - SAVE YOUR CLUB!!!
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Post by taylov on Mar 2, 2018 7:38:27 GMT
Certainly wasn't the case in the FL when the old Aldershot club went belly up mid season in 1992. Aldershot's league record for the 1991-92 season, which had seen them play 36 games, was expunged.
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Post by unknownquantity on Mar 3, 2018 9:37:29 GMT
I think there have been several instances of a non-league club folding an d the record being expunged. I am not sure even if they did fold it would mean we would need more points to be completely safe from the drop as with presumably only three relegated clubs it would mean that two of the current bottom four would have to catch us.
One thing I do remember with respect to teams folding is Oxford United fans telling me that if the Chester game had not been expunged James Constable would have beaten Graham Atkinson's goalscoring record for the club. On the subject of goals I do not believe there is a single player who has scored 40 goals for the club in the National League, whereas I expect that Andy Forbes scored many more than 40 times in the Conference South over the same period.
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