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Post by stadium on Jan 26, 2018 18:25:21 GMT
All footballs a business, if a club wasn’t generating money it would close down Haha! You're not wrong Will! But in all seriousness I do believe us as fans need to start accepting that footballers, managers and owners are all in it purely for the money these days. As much as it is a shame, it is never going to change and we may as well get used to it.
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Post by willk on Jan 26, 2018 18:37:06 GMT
Just makes me cringe a bit when you hear non league fans going about the premier league run as a business. That’s the aspiration for any football club at any level.
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Post by stew5018 on Jan 26, 2018 18:50:24 GMT
Yes willk we agree for once. Even if they just break even the aim has to be to stay solvent. If they werent there would be no income revenue from tickets, advertising etc with every cost being met by the owner. Not to many people prepared to do that
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Post by willk on Jan 26, 2018 19:03:14 GMT
Just think some nl fans really have some weird glasses on. What do they think Stewart Donald is renovating the ground for? To make it look pretty? No, it’s to generate more income esp on the corporate side.
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Post by bennyblueballs on Jan 26, 2018 19:37:19 GMT
I think that most non league fans understand that football clubs are run as a business and appreciate what SD has done at Eastleigh but it is sad that clubs like Hartlepool are under threat whilst clubs in the Premier League can afford ever higher wages as they protect themselves by signing ever more extravagant TV deals.
I firmly believe you should treat others as you wish to be treated, so will happily put a few quid in to help the Pool.
'there but for the grace of God'
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Post by ballboy on Jan 26, 2018 19:48:25 GMT
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Post by tenacres on Jan 26, 2018 21:22:35 GMT
Football is a business like no other - I'm sure someone said that at some point.
Yes its a business in that you have income and costs which need to be managed and controlled. But its not a business in that a football clubs primary goal is not to make money, its to succeed on the football pitch.
You are probably looking at an income of at least £1.5M/year at national league level to have a decent chance of competing at the top end and to maintain that sort of money year on year you obviously need to have a few good streams of income besides the money that comes in through the turnstiles.
Don't know much about Hartlepools problems but am guessing they are at least partly as a result of a wage bill has players on L2 money.
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Post by willk on Jan 27, 2018 11:20:02 GMT
Chicken and egg about generating money and success on the field isn’t it? What I do know is that clubs from Man Utd to Matlock town are run as a business and that supporters are just customers ( in that they purchase tickets, pies, beer, shirts programmes) This tribal ownership territorial thing that football fans have is just pathetic really.
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Post by stew5018 on Jan 27, 2018 11:20:52 GMT
Actually tenacres I don't totally agree with ur 2nd paragraph. Hedge funds and the like do not enter the football business to succeed on the football pitch as there is no guarantee that they will. Many buy football clubs with a view to buying the land so that they can later sell it on, buy cheaper land elsewhere start a nucleus of a club then sell on at a profit. They are not charities and they would only invest in a club if they were almost guaranteed a profit. If you look at Hartlepools ground its only real value is as a retail outlet etc in view of its position. I don't even know if they own the land. If they don't then as that would be there main asset then they r in trouble indeed. Football clubs already get away with far more than ordinary businesses in regards to tax bille etc. They seem to get reprieve after reprieve. And when they do flounder usually its mainly other local suppliers who have to take on their debt. So just propping Hartlepool up, letting them increase their debt when there is no salvation in the offing to me seems morally wrong. The likes of Hereford show that if the will and support is there you can rebuild, regroup and become stronger. From all i've read Hartlepool will probably go down that route.
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