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Torquay
Oct 22, 2022 21:51:10 GMT
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Post by tenacres on Oct 22, 2022 21:51:10 GMT
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Post by efc21 on Oct 25, 2022 21:18:20 GMT
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Post by hantslondoner on Oct 25, 2022 21:27:20 GMT
Bit like the Halifax game (they were also bottom at the time).
Got a goal, they went down to 10 men, then we let them look the better side, espeically in midfield.
After the break we were mainly on the defensive, the substitutions were defensive, and we got the three points.
I thought the ref probably got the penalty and red card about right, otherwise he was of the usual National League standard.
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Post by spitfiresteve on Oct 25, 2022 21:39:45 GMT
Absolutely agree it was like the Halifax game, except the changes by the manager seemed to make things worse (Rutherford aside - he was good). In particular really struggling to see what Cisse brings to the team and 3 times he gave the ball away when he came on. More importantly we have two problems. We dont seem to be able to pass and keep the ball which against 10 men is the way to dominate. Think much of that comes from our (lack of) movement off the ball. Secondly we need a striker who looks like scoring. Abrahams is a great worker for the team but does not seem to have an eye for goal.
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Torquay
Oct 25, 2022 21:41:07 GMT
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Post by tenacres on Oct 25, 2022 21:41:07 GMT
Can’t say that was thrilling stuff. A real ground out 1-0. Didn’t really look like putting the game to bed in the second half but relatively comfortable. A win is a win I suppose!
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Post by tottonspitfire on Oct 25, 2022 21:56:14 GMT
Well i hate to say this but that was absolutely dreadful . The better team lost tonight . What the hell was Bradbury thinking . 1 nil up against ten men and he takes off a forward and puts on a midfielder in our own backyard . We ended up with about 7 in midfield . Just to add our goal was a penalty FFS . Yes we got 3 points but if thats the way the manager wants to win games then i for one wont be going to many more games .
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Torquay
Oct 26, 2022 7:23:33 GMT
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Post by blueandwhite on Oct 26, 2022 7:23:33 GMT
Really should be winning a game like this more easily. Could easily have dropped points. I can see us getting well beaten at Woking
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Torquay
Oct 26, 2022 8:03:34 GMT
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Post by charliecharles on Oct 26, 2022 8:03:34 GMT
Made what should have been an easy three points against a 10 man bottom of the league team look overly hard. Agree with spitfiresteve that the subs didn’t help bar young Rutherford. He looked bright, composed and bloody rapid. A definite star of the future. We should look after him.
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Post by sattsy on Oct 26, 2022 8:37:52 GMT
I listened to the game on Solent Radio with Cliff Pledge commentating & he had Alex Pike (ex Gosport manager) as his co-commentator. Have to admit i didn't realise that AP has been our commercial manager for 2 years!, i kept wondering why he kept referring to EFC as "we" and "us"....but he was spot on with all his comments and analysis from what i could hear during the commentary. When playing against 10 men you have to leave 2 up, forcing the opposition to keep 3 back to deal with them. You need to pass and move the ball around quickly and play with width to make the pitch big. You need to pull them around and make the 10 man opposition lose shape, then you should be in with one good pass, but we simply didn't do any of that!' A win is a win, but at 1-0 they are still in the game and have hope. Go 2 or 3 up and we would have broken their spirits and we would run out easy winners. But it didn't sound easy and Torquay sounded like they had the best of the second half. So at 1-0 up against 10 men, at home, to the bottom of the league side, with an hour to go and we didn't know how to play (yet again). That's poor from the manager IMO. We have to be better when presented with this kind of situation. We are just 2 points off the last play off spot, so probably about where we would expect to be, but its worrying that we aren't particularly playing well and are struggling to score goals from open play. This defensive kind of "hanging on" football will find us out more often than us keeping all 3 points in tight games. It's also, more worryingly, making our own fans think again about going to games. What happened to the free flowing attacking football that LB promised us?
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Torquay
Oct 27, 2022 8:58:40 GMT
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Post by callumefc on Oct 27, 2022 8:58:40 GMT
LB is working beyond my expectations with this team, as with many of the past seasons most posters on here seem to be picking out the most youngest players as the stars or man of the match players, so they sound like great additions. If LB has to play cautious / ****house tactics to win games then he's well within his rights to do so, he doesn't really care what the paying public who are there to be entertained really think, he's rightly only thinking about himself and his reputation, its for the fans themselves to turn away if they don't think it's worth their time. Not sure we should expect too much from Cisse or Abrahams, Cisse played for the worst ever Oldham team last year so would be very happy to be competing at this place in the table in the league below I expect.
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Post by back4more on Oct 27, 2022 10:32:27 GMT
Have to agree with most others on this one. We made a weak team look good. Torquay were allowed to dictate the pace of the game through most of the second half despite being down to 10 men from early in the first. I see no improvement in team performances and I would not point my finger at the players.
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Post by hantslondoner on Oct 27, 2022 12:01:56 GMT
If LB has to play cautious / ****house tactics to win games then he's well within his rights to do so, he doesn't really care what the paying public who are there to be entertained really think, he's rightly only thinking about himself and his reputation, its for the fans themselves to turn away if they don't think it's worth their time. Not sure we should expect too much from Cisse or Abrahams, Cisse played for the worst ever Oldham team last year so would be very happy to be competing at this place in the table in the league below I expect. Can't argue about the first point - from Mr.B's point of view. We're going about well as I expected so far. As for the two players you mentioned.... Cisse was getting rave reviews from opposition earlier in the season, and now doesn't seem to be playing regularly. Interestingly, as I said, I thought Torquay were better in midfield on Wed, and maybe we need Cisse (or Atangana, seems similar) as a 'holding player' to give the others room to play. I think McKiernan and Carter are very good players and we need then pushing forward, similarly Hill and Hesketh are also better going forward. BTW I thought Hill played well on Tuesday, work-rate couldn't be faulted. Abrahams has been better than I expected, he's strong, good at holding up the ball, seems to wind up the opposition at times, and weighs in with the odd goal. A 20 to 30-goal-a-season colleague would be a good partnership. I like Whitehall, not least his unpredictability and willingness to try things, but for me it's probably one of the other. Ebanks is young, shows promise, and shows signs of being in the Abraham mould. So we are still looking for that goalscorer!
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Post by sattsy on Oct 27, 2022 13:07:01 GMT
****house tactics are ok if you have 5 mins to go and are a goal up against 11 men with the opposition looking to attack you to get a point or 3. BUT, when you are playing at home to the bottom team who have had 10 men for an hour, then adopting ****house tactics for an hour at 1-0 up, is poor. LB had a full pre-season, brought in some decent players and promised attacking football. From what i hear and read, we are simply not even trying to play that way. If the players aren't up to it, then its the managers fault as he constructed the team and tells them the shape and tactics for each game. I'm not completely against LB, but he needs to start playing in a way that he promised, otherwise fans will turn their backs on him. Winning 1-0 is fine, if its that kind of game where you need to grind out the last few mins, but against teams below us, surely we should be going for their throats from the off, not hoping to hang on for dear life in games where we go a goal up in the first half.
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Post by unknownquantity on Oct 27, 2022 21:16:39 GMT
I was not at the game on Tuesday, but my opinion is there are few easy games at this level of football, and no team has so far been cast adrift at the bottom of thew table. In both seasons that we reached the playoffs we dropped points at home to r=teams who finished in the relegation positions
I personally am surprised that Torquay are at the bottom of the table when with the same manager they finished runners up in 2020/21 and this manager has also won this division with Cheltenham and managed internationally. as well as being seemingly a primary target for Stewart Donald when he was desperately keen to achieve quick promotion to the football league.
It is not a good idea if people are promised a style of playing, they want to see and then feel that the promise is not being delivered.
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