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Post by newspitfire on May 3, 2017 18:47:21 GMT
Is our academy producing enough talent to challenge for the first team ? Not seeing many coming through.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 0:25:42 GMT
I was listening to a radio show over here today and they were talking about Academies. In the Premier league the total % of players who graduate from the academies to sign professional contracts is 0.5%
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Post by michaelefc on May 4, 2017 6:55:53 GMT
Academies teach players to be good technically with the ball. Trouble is that is only 5% of what makes a player. I am not sure they are what we need, and even less sure, what we do need.
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Post by martfergie on May 4, 2017 7:56:16 GMT
Is our academy producing enough talent to challenge for the first team ? Not seeing many coming through.
The main issue is that as soon as we have a decent player in our youth system they are poached and we can't do anything about it because they cannot sign professional contracts! Southampton, Portsmouth, Reading, Bournemouth, Brighton or Eastleigh. Not being horrible about our club but if you were a parent of a child wanted by all these clubs who would you choose. Likewise, if you child was playing for Eastleigh youth and one of the above clubs came knocking would you keep them at Eastleigh?? Once we are in the football league we get £250k a year which MUST ONLY be spent on youth development. That said, I imagine the club has plans for the youth team once we are in the football league. For now, it's not worth throwing money at because the players will leave and it could be a waste!
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Post by newspitfire on May 4, 2017 15:49:20 GMT
Is our academy producing enough talent to challenge for the first team ? Not seeing many coming through.
The main issue is that as soon as we have a decent player in our youth system they are poached and we can't do anything about it because they cannot sign professional contracts! Southampton, Portsmouth, Reading, Bournemouth, Brighton or Eastleigh. Not being horrible about our club but if you were a parent of a child wanted by all these clubs who would you choose. Likewise, if you child was playing for Eastleigh youth and one of the above clubs came knocking would you keep them at Eastleigh?? Once we are in the football league we get £250k a year which MUST ONLY be spent on youth development. That said, I imagine the club has plans for the youth team once we are in the football league. For now, it's not worth throwing money at because the players will leave and it could be a waste! Be interested to hear if this is the case.
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Post by nedzelic on May 4, 2017 16:16:10 GMT
Good question, is it the standard of players being produced or the reluctance of managers to take a risk on youth players playing?
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Post by bitterneparker on May 4, 2017 17:23:19 GMT
Trying hard to think of recent youngsters that have been poached by bigger local teams.Think it's more of a case of managers don't want to take a chance on youth team players,seem to remember RH isn't a fan of inexperienced players.
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Post by back4more on May 4, 2017 19:10:14 GMT
There's no room for using players just because you want to develop them. You have to win as many matches as you can and to do that you have to get the best players in that you can. But it is complete tosh to suggest young players don't get a chance when we have just seen a 19 year old winning player of the month. If they are good enough they are old enough but THEY HAVE TO BE GOOD ENOUGH!
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Post by bitterneparker on May 4, 2017 21:56:15 GMT
Player of the month a loanee from Bournemouth signed by the maligned MA.I think you'll find a certain club down the road has given many youngsters game time & it's paid off big time.I think youth team players such as Jack Smith,Lee & others if given game time could have proved at least as good as some of the dross we've had to put up with this season.
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Post by loudnproud on May 5, 2017 5:50:03 GMT
Player of the month a loanee from Bournemouth signed by the maligned MA.I think you'll find a certain club down the road has given many youngsters game time & it's paid off big time.I think youth team players such as Jack Smith,Lee & others if given game time could have proved at least as good as some of the dross we've had to put up with this season. Totally agree with this. This post was worded with justanopinion.co
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Post by tonysmith on May 5, 2017 7:07:56 GMT
As many of you know I manage the Eastleigh Youth U15 side. We are not part of the academy and my coach and myself are volunteers. We have had a good season winning our league and the Southampton FC summer tournament in June. Boys come to our club because we are Eastleigh with ambitions to progress to the first team. Over the season I spoke with Chris Todd, Ronnie Moore and Martin Allen, all agreed to come and watch the boys but they all moved on before they could do so. I was recently approached by AFC Bournemouth who have taken one of my players for some trial matches. They will also be watching us next season with a view to offering at least a further 3 boys the opportunity to have trials with them. We have many young teams playing outside of the academy set up, but still under the name of Eastleigh who have players who will be poached by other clubs. I hope the club can look into the future and find the time to at least "have a look" at some of our youngsters next season before some other team basically rob the club of any boys who have potential to make it.
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Post by back4more on May 5, 2017 8:02:27 GMT
Tony, that's great news for the boy concerned and a credit to yourself and your coach (apologies to him or her but don't know his or her name). I really know nothing about Eastleigh's youth teams but my overall impression is that the club can't possibly have the kind of infrastructure which most league clubs have in place to recruit and develop young players. As mentioned in another post on this thread, league clubs are given a quarter of a million a year which they are mandated to spend on their youth development. So a prem club like Bournemouth will be spending a whole lot more and probably has a full time team of coaches etc dedicated to finding and developing young players. Hopefully the lad concerned will have a successful trial and even better, go on to make a career in league or premier league football. If he does get into the Bournemouth system, at the very least he will be given the opportunity to reach his full potential which would not be so easy to do at any non league club. The resources are just not there in non league and I believe that clubs which are outside the league which therefore don't receive that ring fenced funding will always be looking to pick up some of the hundreds of young players who have been released from league clubs or who are available on loan. That's just my take on the situation, but I have to admit that I am conveniently ignoring the fact that Basingstoke Town beat a Bournemouth Under 21 side on Tuesday night at St Mary's to win this years Hampshire Senior Cup (on pens). It's a funny old game as they say.
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Post by back4more on May 5, 2017 9:12:07 GMT
Player of the month a loanee from Bournemouth signed by the maligned MA.I think you'll find a certain club down the road has given many youngsters game time & it's paid off big time.I think youth team players such as Jack Smith,Lee & others if given game time could have proved at least as good as some of the dross we've had to put up with this season. Totally agree with this. This post was worded with justanopinion.co MA might have got Sam Matthews in on loan but he got his string of first team appearances leading to his PoM under the current manager. Re the other players mentioned, Tony Lee has been playing regularly for Gosport and I have seen a couple of his games there. I think it's unlikely he would have got as much first team football if he had stayed at Eastleigh. He certainly has the ability to make progress if he is playing regularly rather than warming an Eastleigh bench. Jack Smith did very well on loan at National League South Truro where he became a first team regular centre back but his loan there was ended by Eastleigh and he was sent out instead on loan to Hayes and Yeading who have been relegated again, this time from the Southern League Premier division. I don't think Mr Allen did Jack Smith any favours and it is very hard to guess at why MA decided to move him there.
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Post by bigwing on May 5, 2017 13:45:58 GMT
I doubt our revolving door of first team managers this season has helped the youth set-up. You could argue that if we're intent on buying ourselves our way to the next level that the youth set-up is a sideshow. Short-termist perhaps, but that does seem to be the flavour of the club at the moment.
#Just an opinion so don't shoot me with your big spitfire machine gun
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