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Post by Lloyd Lampard on Apr 2, 2017 19:02:59 GMT
The incident that happened yesterday will be dealt with. Richard and I have had a personal conversation on the telephone and he assured me that I wasn't right and it will be dear with. With great regards we wish that no further comment is made about it.
Thank you
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Post by loudnproud on Apr 2, 2017 20:31:03 GMT
So why start a thread about it.?
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Post by bomber on Apr 2, 2017 21:22:25 GMT
The incident that happened yesterday will be dealt with. Richard and I have had a personal conversation on the telephone and he assured me that I wasn't right and it will be dear with. With great regards we wish that no further comment is made about it. Thank you Someone's full of his own self-importance. Nobody cares. Zzzzzz
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Post by westendspitfire on Apr 2, 2017 21:32:33 GMT
Terrible thread absolute rubbish should be ashamed to post for Eastleigh no effort no pride in the post rubbish. I didn't spend all that effort logging on to read rubbish.
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Post by droewors on Apr 3, 2017 7:05:16 GMT
No supporter, club employee or otherwise, should ever verbally abuse a player of their club, especially in public. Any "supporter doing this, should at the very least receive a temporary ban from attending matches"
Stack may have inflamed matters by responding but who can blame him. The new influx of supporters is most welcome but unfortunately you have to take the chaff with the wheat.
Slagging off your own team can only be counter productive and no "true" supporter would do so.
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Post by michaelefc on Apr 3, 2017 7:18:39 GMT
No supporter, club employee or otherwise, should ever verbally abuse a player of their club, especially in public.
Completely agree with you, alas not by any means the first time its happened. We are called "supporters" for a reason, so lets support, and if we can't do that, how about we keep quiet.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 7:35:29 GMT
Supporters of EVERY club do it when they are angry about players in their team....not saying every supporter, but every club. Eastleigh fans, generally speaking are very loyal to the players but sometimes the passion overruns when its not going so well and you speak out in frustration. That's what many did on Saturday, they vented their feelings of frustration. I was one of them, but do not ever tell me or anyone else that we are not TRUE supporters, that my friend is somewhat insulting. I said on another thread that if Stack spoke back to me with the comment made, I'd have given him the lot verbally with both barrels. He's been here five minutes, he knows nothing about the passion of Eastleigh fans and the fantastic support we generally give, no matter what the fan said, I suspect the club will not like the responsive word used, he probably regretted it immediately and to be fair about this, he vented his feelings of frustration about the situation he found himself in. As said elsewhere the abuse he was receiving was bloody awful at 3-0 down in a four minutes spell. It just about sums up the terrible season we've had considering the expectations last August. I'm inclined after 24 hours of reflection to say, "Lets put this to bed, its over, we lost 4-0, and we move on to the game with Lincoln at the weekend".
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Post by droewors on Apr 3, 2017 21:18:53 GMT
"Eastleigh fans, generally speaking are very loyal to the players, but do not ever tell me or anyone else that we are not TRUE supporters, that my friend is somewhat insulting."
A slight contradiction there I'm afraid, the word "Supporter" means that you support and a true supporter does not turn on their team when the going gets tough. Its unfortunate if you find that insulting but passionate or not you should always back you team, after all, why would you want to give the opposition the edge by upsetting your own players like was done on Saturday.
If a supporter needs to express discontent, it should be done on the forum or in the pub. Now I'm not saying that you should change your ways, just like you would not be able to change my opinion of your type of support.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 7:12:10 GMT
Everyone is entitled to their views, true supporters in my opinion are allowed to show their frustration at times, its a little thing called passion. I care and if I vent my feelings that a player is letting the team down I'll say it. Players like praise, they like to be loved by the fans, they want to have their cake and eat it but they don't like being criticized, why on earth should we wrap them up in cotton wool all the time and never moan at a match, but instead in the pub or here on the forum? What point does that make, the player is unaware how we feel about his performance. It is extremely rare for me to have a go at a player but that's the passion for you.
On Saturday most of the hard core of regular away fans were in attendance, I'm talking about the 10+ years fans who travelled everywhere supporting EFC, the early years were mainly around the South of England, but since SD came in, places like Barrow, Gateshead, Grimsby, York, Southport and Tranmere to name a few, supporters who are aged 40+......TRUE SUPPORTERS....are they not allowed to vent their feelings then? Do you not think that even our Chairman has his moments too? Would you dare to tell him he isn't a true supporter? I know for a fact he once left the ground at half time to go home...would you tell him he turned his back on the team when the going got tough?
I'll bet there will be a reaction on Saturday from the team, they know how we felt about Saturday because we spoke out, if true supporters just say nothing whatever the result and performance how on earth would you get a response next time out? Why do you think Jose Mourinho is being so horrible to Luke Shaw at the moment? It's called tough love, he knows he is good, very good actually and he wants a response. Sometimes that is what true supporters do as well, we want those players to prove us wrong and we'll be delighted if they do...tough love works!!
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Post by michaelefc on Apr 4, 2017 7:33:08 GMT
Don't disagree, with much that you say, however, in my humble opinion, it is always wrong to abuse one of your own players. I guess it partly boils down to what you term "abuse", but just to give one example, earlier in the season when one of our players was having a bad game, some fans were ironically cheering when he did something right. That is not supporting your team, and its not helping the team. I do understand frustration, but all that does is lower the confidence of the player and lift the opposition. How is that supporting the team?
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Post by hantslondoner on Apr 4, 2017 8:01:11 GMT
Having just seen the match highlights, Stack did have a 'mare for all of the first three goals. Even on the highlights, the left side of defence looked awful too.
Even so, I still stand by what I've said before - if you give abuse, expect to receive some back. And if you give abuse, it may relieve your frustration, but it may be very counterproductive and not improve the player's performance.
Having said that we all know that some players respond better to 'an arm round the shoulder' and some respond better to a 'kick up the a**e'. I don't know how Graham Stack responds, but as I said earlier I'd guess the stick he received could have made him angry and lose concentration - although there were less mistakes from him after the break, judging by the highlights.
Similarly, I didn't know how Luke Shaw would respond to Mourinho's public criticism, but it sounds like they've cleared the air now, so maybe it was a good thing to do. Mourinho knows more about his players and about man-management than me!
By the way, on the Forest Green forum, there is a similar discussion as the manager's son appears to be getting serious abuse from a section of the crowd - the reason appears to be.... he's the manager's son. Added to the fact they 'only' appear now destined for the play-off places and a 19-year old in his first season in the team can't change everything. A lot of FGR fans are pointing out the pointlessness of having a go at him.
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Post by back4more on Apr 4, 2017 10:50:26 GMT
If someone isn't doing their job well that doesn't mean you have the right to abuse them. Keith, you can call it passion or banter or whatever you like to justify obnoxious infantile behaviour but it is just dog's abuse basically. and you aren't qualified to give dog's abuse just because you have been supporting the club for more than a certain number of years. If the barman or barmaid or bar person or whatever overcharged you or gave you the wrong change you would not yell at them I don't think. It's worth bearing in mind that under Section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986 it is an offence to use threatening, abusive or insulting words within the hearing of someone likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress by them. So the prosecution have to show only that there was someone else present who might have been caused harassment, alarm or distress. That for example could be a child or anyone else sensitive enough to feel alarmed or distressed at what they are hearing. There are millions of fans of other sports who are no less passionate in the support of their teams than are football supporters. It does however seem to be only in football where some "supporters" are arrogant enough to believe that they are entitled to shout abuse at players. It's only a matter of time I believe before we see a prosecution, especially as this behaviour now seems to have become more prevalent in non league football where generally people are closer to the pitch and individual abuse is more easily heard.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 11:18:44 GMT
I'm a total sports fan John, I've seen fans abusing players at Cricket, Golf, Tennis, Speedway, Motor Scrambling, and even Bowls!!! I doubt very much that the police would bother unless it is racist remarks. I take the point you're making but in any sport passion from fans plays a major part in our reactions at that moment in time....take that away and the sport will die...please do not let lawyers kill that passion. What you're saying is the road to ruin as far as sport is concerned which is why those laws are not specifically aimed at sport fans.
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Post by dave on Apr 6, 2017 19:32:31 GMT
On Saturday most of the hard core of regular away fans were in attendance, I'm talking about the 10+ years fans who travelled everywhere supporting EFC, the early years were mainly around the South of England, but since SD came in, places like Barrow, Gateshead, Grimsby, York, Southport and Tranmere to name a few, supporters who are aged 40+......TRUE SUPPORTERS....are they not allowed to vent their feelings then? Why do you have to be over 40 to be a True Supporter?
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Post by loudnproud on Apr 6, 2017 20:13:12 GMT
I was thinking the same Dave.
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