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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 13:54:50 GMT
Sad that MA has gone....something is seriously not right within the club. So new 5 year plan moving forward, this man with serious financial backing should take the next steps forward....and before anyone says it...he was my choice after RM.....SD has to get the next one right for his own sake!!!!
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Post by blackie on Feb 22, 2017 14:12:24 GMT
Certainly fits the bill for the right type of manager we need, sometimes you do talk sense spirit :-). Young, ambitious and so far his track record is on the up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 14:27:50 GMT
I try to talk sense all the time blackie but we are sadly a mess at the moment and this man...with 5 years planning will I am sure will deliver football good on the eye...increase our profile as a professional club...and achieve what the club desires....3 year contract? Why not.....Reda got one.
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Post by westendspitfire on Feb 22, 2017 14:31:58 GMT
Giving a 3 year contract to any manager seems excessive at the moment.
Think Reda got one because we could exclude medical cover and was cheaper then a 1 year contract with medical cover
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Post by westendspitfire on Feb 22, 2017 14:39:10 GMT
Brilliant I thought you were highlighting someone with a double barrelled name until I googled it, made me smile :-)
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Post by taylov on Feb 22, 2017 15:00:44 GMT
Why would he leave one Conference South club for another ?
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Post by bomber on Feb 22, 2017 15:06:01 GMT
Why would he leave Hungerford when he's taken them up through a couple of divisions in a couple of years, and they're in the play off places. Hungerford would destroy us at the moment.
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Post by hantslondoner on Feb 22, 2017 15:13:54 GMT
He's done really well with a small club in the last few years, might be worth a look. They are already overachieving so he might be ready for the next step.
By the way, there is already another thread about people we'd like to be considered for the job - can I suggest that we try and have one thread for all of this?
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Post by nobadspitfire on Feb 22, 2017 16:10:10 GMT
Tommy Killick, anyone? Don't know how ambitious he might be. If BW is ambitious he might leave Hungerford ,but for the right money. As already said, SD has to get it right, in the way he did with RH.
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Post by tenacres on Feb 22, 2017 21:26:35 GMT
Call me boring but I can't see us going down this sort of route and I don't think we should.
We will get dozens of applications for manager and I think I would say experience and success in the national league should be a mandatory requirement.
That would include a certain Richard Hill!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 7:33:44 GMT
Rendel, we've just tried two vastly experienced managers have we not? ? A certain Danny Cowley comes to mind here, a man who we were looking at a year ago but ruled out for having a lack of experience at this level. It is only my opinion but the evidence does suggest Bobby Wilkinson is of the same mould as Danny Cowley. A big factor for me is he knows non league and where good players can be found. We've said have we not that we don't want league players looking for a final large contract that efc can clearly offer to entice them here. Another manager worth checking out would be the one at Hampton & Richmond, Alan Dowson...he certainly knows about finding strikers!!!! So for me, an experienced league manager is worth very little if he has no knowledge of non league, Ronnie Moore springs to mind on that factor. I welcome the return of Richard Hill as our DoF our best signing for some time and he will deliver what SD craves. I guess he will start with an inquest into how the club got it all so wrong these past 18 months to ensure we don't go down that road again, a clean sheet so to speak with a clear decisive map laid out of forward planning on the football pitch. Why for example have Lincoln got it right this season, what players did they sign? Can we learn from their model? We know the five year plan of phase two is to be in league one at the end, but lets get out of the National league first. Our new manager has to have a 3 year contract, my reasoning is because without such a long term deal any manager would think long and hard about coming to a club that is shown to be trigger happy. Give him 3 years and his mandate is promotion within that period, if it takes a whole season to build his squad ready for that challenge, so be it, the club has to show some patience and for this I think Richard Hill is the ideal buffer between SD and the new manager, though obviously they shall all work together. I don't know about others here on the forum but perhaps we should look at our location, right down here on the south coast, the travelling involved for players we sign could be a major factor. I wonder if we took the route Barrow did might improve our chances of getting the quality players needed at EFC. Barrow train mid-week in Manchester which means by and large their players need only travel to Barrow maybe 3 times a month for home matches and this enables them to sign good players. Should we not think about training in Oxford or Birmingham midweek for the same reasoning? Why not have two training bases so our local players still go to the Silverlake. It might sound a daft idea to many, but thinking outside the box may find the answers the club needs, if a Birmingham training base gives us 8 top class players should we merely throw the idea away? Ideally players should move to the area but given most only stay 2-3 seasons at best you can understand their point of view as well. There are some terrific players in that league in Newcastle, the one that keeps producing The FA Vase winners, find two or three....they can fly here in an hour on match days. Outside the box again, but if it wins the club promotion it has to be considered surely? I know its all about money....could it be possible for example that Flybe sponsors any player coming from Newcastle to play for us? I'm sure you all have your own views and suggestions, lets hear them, the club might take one or two up!!!!!!
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Post by nobadspitfire on Feb 23, 2017 7:59:32 GMT
Some good points there, SOE, but as regards the example of Newcastle based players, for example, would they not have already been snapped up by Gateshead or York if they were interested or good enough for the NL? Not all players want to go full time. There are plenty of clubs in the NL still part time, & lots are doing OK, but we are a full time club & unlikely to change so long in the short to medium term or while we are ambitious. Nothing wrong with thinking outside the box, but there are still plenty of London & SE based players to tap. Rather more difficult for the likes of Torquay, for example.
An interesting fact about Hungerford is that Ian (Spud)Herring,(remember him?) was VNL South player of the month in January. He didn't last all that long with us a few years ago, fancy he was a Bairdy signing.
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Post by hantslondoner on Feb 23, 2017 8:51:49 GMT
'A certain Danny Cowley comes to mind here'...'So for me, an experienced league manager is worth very little if he has no knowledge of non league'The odds of finding another Danny Cowley must be remote; there are many who have potential but don't make the step up (although I have to say Cowley was one of the names I was suggesting after CT left). The chances of an experienced manager, from whatever level, succeeding must be higher, so I can understand why the RM and MA route was taken (especially the MA route, with his Barnet non-league experience). To be honest, I don't think the three months either of them had was adequate time for them to become attuned the the club, the league, etc. The chances of any manager making an immediate impact a la Cowley are very small. 'Why for example have Lincoln got it right this season, what players did they sign?'Well, Cowley certainly went back to his old club Braintree and signed some their best players! MA tried that one with Barnet.... Cowley also signed Raggett (Dover) and Arnold (Grimsby) - players from our level (yes, I know Grimsby went up), and they certainly helped, especially in the FA Cup.... Cowley has also now given Lincoln a Plan B (and C) - Plan A, involving Matt Rhead, is surprisingly effective, but Rhead's not always on form or has injuries so he's developed the rest of the team (especially with the new signings) to cope without him. Cowley has integrated these new players into the team with existing old favourites which has ensured fan support. His communication skills are excellent, as far as I can see. Even so, I'm amazed at the rapid progress Lincoln have made. Recently they have had a succession of managers who had no money and could really only survive and not develop beyond Plan A. For me, RH theoretically fits the bill - knows us, knows the league (even if it's changed in the last year) and has proven success. How much management he wants to do is another matter. Personally, I'd be happy if he became the permanent boss. As with others here, I'll be interested to see how many of the existing squad we keep - it's clear a lot of the ex-Barnet players are not popular, were brought in to do a job by the previous manager, may not fit RH's style..... If we get a manager from outside, I'm not sure many experienced managers will apply now, given the RM and MA experiences, let alone whether SD wants to go that way again. As I said, an up-and-coming manager like Wilkinson is probably our only option (unless we can get someone like Still, from our own league?) but the chances of one of them stepping up and succeeding is quite small.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 9:54:06 GMT
I totally respect your views 'hants' and get your reasonings....my main point is an experienced manager could well be expected to deliver within two seasons and being trigger happy in sacking them I guess most would not consider EFC. A manager from conference level would likely get three seasons to work with and I think a lot of supporters would be happy with that should EFC go that route.....foundation first...then build into a football league club.
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Post by hantslondoner on Feb 23, 2017 10:44:10 GMT
Wonder how long our experienced managers this season were given?
MA started by talking about going up this season, then next season.... can't remember about RM.
My impression was that they were employed as 'quick fixes' to get us up quickly (I said this at the time), then with the FL money we could start to develop youth, etc.
Agree with you that a less experienced manager would be given more time with less immediate expectations. RH did very well in his first season at NL level, maybe he set the expectations too high for his successors :-)
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