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Post by thelake on Apr 23, 2018 6:45:57 GMT
What do people think about these? There were a few people grumbling on saturday and i heard the stewards make q few announcements trying to say it wasn’t allowed.
I personally reckon you’ve won the league or whatever then a pitch invasion after the match is fair ebough.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 7:27:42 GMT
Last home game of the season it doesn't really matter if people go on the pitch. Macclesfield fans wanted to celebrate with their team and why not. It's a special moment for their club and let's be honest if one day we clinch the title our fans would do the same as well.
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Post by nobadspitfire on Apr 23, 2018 8:15:15 GMT
No problem at all with the invasion by the Macc fans. It's a sensible rule to prevent individuals having a go at the ref, for example, but when supporters of a team have something to celebrate at the end of the season, it is something the FA must turn a blind eye to. The only problem would be if we had had a hardcore of nutcases intent on spoiling their day. Just as well we don't.
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Post by westendspitfire on Apr 23, 2018 8:29:37 GMT
Bloke next to me said they should be thrown out of the League, I pointed out that they have just removed themselves from the League voluntarily.
Fair play to them, they were well behaved and just celebrating a great achievement.
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Post by hantslondoner on Apr 23, 2018 9:11:28 GMT
Understandable reaction, probably stopped BT getting decent footage of the big moment, though (haven't seen it yet).
As a player i'd probably want to celebrate on the pitch with my teammates (and possibly shake hands with the opposition) before getting mobbed, but it seems that doesn't happen nowadays.
As pointed out, if the opposition were intent on causing trouble then maybe not such a good idea. Not so in this case, just celebrating a great achievement.
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Post by granmist on Apr 23, 2018 9:34:52 GMT
When we played Crewe in the cup, when we won and our fans ran onto the pitch at the end to celebrate with the team, we are no different
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Post by back4more on Apr 23, 2018 9:47:36 GMT
".....and let's be honest if one day we clinch the title our fans would do the same as well."
When we won the Conference South title four years ago Keith there was no pitch invasion even though the old fence behind the south end of the pitch fell apart.
Pitch invasions are inherently dangerous. The Macclesfield numbers were not so big and their fans are generally a credit to their club but if that had been Tranmere or one of the other really big clubs the consequences might have been different.
Those supporters could just as easily have celebrated in the stand and on the terrace (as we did four years ago) where they are legally entitled to be and where they are not creating a risk to players, officials and stewards.
Our Chief Steward has come in for some criticism recently. With the situation he had to control and the number of stewards at his disposal on the day I thought he did an excellent job of containment when it was obvious that he didn't have the manpower to prevent the incursion.
If that pitch invasion had taken place at a Premier League or League club, both clubs would probably have faced fines and sanctions.
With hindsight there could have been better support from Macclesfield by having them bring their own team of stewards and having them make a statement to their travelling fans before the game that there would be consequences for anyone invading the pitch.
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Post by stew5018 on Apr 23, 2018 10:01:00 GMT
Everybody expected that fans would come on the pitch. No surprise. Just before the game ended there was a large group of stewards standing in a group in the segragated area. They clearly had realised that they didnt have a chance in hell of stopping fans going on the pitch. It is impossible to stop.If 500 people want to get on a pitch they will. Doesn't matter how many Stewards you have so I have no critisism of them. Macc deserve their celebration they earnt it.I'd rather they celebrated on the pitch with their team than outside where our fans could get involved.
Well done Macc you deserve your promotion
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Post by hantslondoner on Apr 23, 2018 10:06:06 GMT
Things seem to have changed in the last four years, John - pitch invasions now seem to be more common, and more tolerated, for some reason.
Agree with you that there are always safety concerns with these things, and that our stewards did the best they could with the situation.
The only way to stop pitch invasions is to have fences around the away areas, and I'm sure we'd like to avoid that.
I noticed at least two, possibly four, members of the police force at the Silverlake on Saturday. Wonder what they thought?
If this was going to be an issue (and I'm sure it wasn't totally unexpected) then surely the two clubs would have talked about it beforehand?
Didn't I also see a flare set off by the Macc fans on the side after their second goal?
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Post by bomber on Apr 23, 2018 11:08:27 GMT
Bloke next to me said they should be thrown out of the League. And that ladies & gentlemen, as the kind of absolute plebbery we have to deal with at Eastleigh Football club. |
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Post by back4more on Apr 23, 2018 11:12:00 GMT
I believe that's correct Paul. It has certainly become more prevalent in recent seasons at non league levels. Harking back again to our play off second leg at Grimsby three years ago they had several hundred fans on the pitch after the final whistle. No doubt things might continue that way until there is some injury or worse. On Saturday I watched the reaction of the officials and the ref lingered only long enough to make sure his linesmen were OK and they could all get off the pitch. They did not look very comfortable. Our stewards hardly had time to get to them in time to provide them with the usual escort off the pitch although Sharon Cavill was doing her best to do so. Let's hope the ref does not put the pitch invasion in his official report. It would have been seen on TV of course but for the ref to report it officially might take it to a level where the National League is obliged to take action.
I also watched the stewards' reaction to the flare. Several of them went into the crowd at the back of the terrace where it seemed the flare had been lit but I couldn't tell whether anyone was dealt with or not.
I also agree that it might seem reasonable to assume that the two clubs would have talked about this beforehand. You'd hope so anyway. I do believe though that a better plan could have been devised to prevent the incursion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 11:35:31 GMT
I don't see any reason John why the National League should be obliged to take action against Eastleigh Football Club if the referee report it officially. Was it EFC fault that the title was won at their ground? Four or Five stewards are not going to stop a couple of hundred fans getting onto the pitch at the end to celebrate winning the title are they? If EFC were punished, then the National League have to be prepared for this to happen every season in the three leagues they control if fans go onto the pitch to celebrate titles. You can bet Havant fans will be on the pitch if they win both their home games this week, its just a natural thing, there is unlikely to be many from Concord Rangers at the game on Saturday if it's the case Havant do win it.
This pitch invasion was NOT an attempt by Macclesfield fans to engage in ugly scenes with Eastleigh fans, inciting them to fight. They were well behaved and just celebrating their title. In this instance the stewards got things right and it passed without major incident. I would hope the referee takes that point of view and leaves it out of his match report. If there had been a serious incident then obviously action would have needed to be looked at by the league.
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Post by hantslondoner on Apr 23, 2018 12:33:01 GMT
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Post by michaelefc on Apr 23, 2018 14:27:37 GMT
In 53 years of watching football, I have seen countless invasions of the pitch. Some in the 1970's and 80's, were hooligans looking for a punch up; obviously that has to be dealt with. Celebratory invasions, I have never seen a problem, and for the life of me, I cannot see a problem. Okay I will acknowledge there could be an accident, in the excitement a player could accidentally suffer a strain or something, but for goodness sake lets not go overboard, football is a very passionate sport and sometimes these things will happen. Its no big deal.
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Post by back4more on Apr 23, 2018 16:26:06 GMT
Thing is Keith the National League have to take whatever action is necessary to uphold their own rules. If they can ever be persuaded that their rules are unreasonable then no doubt they would be prepared to relax them, but until then they have to uphold those rules which they have.
Regarding michaelefc's point I think some of the hooliganism we saw in the 60's, 70's and 80's often had a link with the intake of booze before the match and on the way to it. There have been all sorts of improvements since then fortunately and no doubt that's one of the reasons we do happily get a wider range of supporters these days across age, gender and mobility. It does become all the more important though that all of those people can feel safe and protected. We don't want people being afraid for their kids or their wives or sisters to go to a match because they think the crowd might get out of control for whatever reason.
I am very critical of the ridiculous degree to which previously traditional innocent social events are constrained and even cancelled in the name of elf 'n safety. I think we have to recognise though that having a rampant mob of fit young people take charge of a football ground despite being asked publicly not to has serious risk. If the clubs want to make their own independent judgements and try to be popular with fans by allowing them to invade the pitch, then let them carry out a risk assessment first before deciding not to try to take effective preventive measures - and I for one would like to see the conclusions. I might have had a completely different view when I was 20 but a lot has happened since then.
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