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Post by upthespitfires on Apr 23, 2018 3:57:11 GMT
I managed to collar one of our younger lads today and he reckons the lot that were chopped down last season are going to make a comeback. I told him they were missed as the atmosphere is flat without them. Hopefully that comes to fruition, I'll certainly back them up should the stewards get on their backs! Great to see/hear many of the youngsters back in the Mackoy on Saturday. I do find it very surprising that there has been no mention of the flare set off by the away fans though. Nothing on FB or on here as far as I can see; just comments about what a great bunch of fans they were (and the majority were - we enjoyed their company in the Hangar before the match). Just thinking this would be a completely different scenario if it was set off by our own fans...
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Post by nobadspitfire on Apr 23, 2018 8:17:08 GMT
One rule for home fans, another for away fans. As far as the stewards are concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 9:26:57 GMT
Away fans can sit in the final row at the back of the Mackoy stand, Eastleigh fans can't. Eastleigh fan ejected for setting off a flare, Macclesfield fan wasn't (as far as I am aware though happy to be corrected on that}. Totally agree with Martin, there appears to be two sets of rules in operation. It might help if TSSC can invite Mick (Chief Steward) to the AGM and he can explain. It's fair to say the ruling on the Mackoy back row is bizarre. The only thing I can think of is perhaps to prevent Eastleigh fans banging on the back to create a wall of noise...but away fans can do this in their section!!!!!
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Post by back4more on Apr 23, 2018 10:57:25 GMT
You can bang the back wall at St Mary's no problem (whether out of celebration or frustration).
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Post by bomber on Apr 23, 2018 11:06:38 GMT
I managed to collar one of our younger lads today and he reckons the lot that were chopped down last season are going to make a comeback. I told him they were missed as the atmosphere is flat without them. Hopefully that comes to fruition, I'll certainly back them up should the stewards get on their backs! Great to see/hear many of the youngsters back in the Mackoy on Saturday. Were they gagged & bound?..and lying down on the floor? Quiet as church mice. What number of them there were!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 11:07:43 GMT
You can bang the back wall at St Mary's no problem (whether out of celebration or frustration). Eastleigh fans can't do it to celebrate or show frustration because of the stewards not permitting them to sit on the back row. I hope this is resolved next season, we must be the only club which allows the stewards to decide where you can sit in a stand and its absolutely bonkers.
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Post by martfergie on Apr 26, 2018 7:29:05 GMT
The best atmosphere at the ground was last season when there was a group of 20 or so younger kids who got to know the older supporters and all sat in the mackoy together with the drum. They made a hell of a racket and more and more of their mates came each week. Unfortunately it looked like the younger ones were there to cause trouble with their pyro’s and it now seems none of them come anymore. Obviously the pyros could have been stamped out, but the stewards, in my opinion, have been too hard on those kids. They aren’t even allowed to look at the away fans without being told off! One of the biggest things about football is the singing between fans, hence why they are separated, which creates a better atmosphere. You certainly don’t get a football atmosphere at the rugby sat next to a rival teams fan! The stewards clearly stopped any harm happening which is great because that’s the last thing we’d want, but let the lads sing a bit and have some fun! I hope if these kids come back that they get to enjoy the experience and are not banned from that stand any more.
Also, any updates on the new ground improvements? SD mentioned that filling in the corners and improving the mackoy was next on the list with bars etc underneath. Sounded like a fantastic plan!
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Post by durkiboy on Apr 26, 2018 14:20:57 GMT
The best atmosphere at the ground was last season when there was a group of 20 or so younger kids who got to know the older supporters and all sat in the mackoy together with the drum. They made a hell of a racket and more and more of their mates came each week. Unfortunately it looked like the younger ones were there to cause trouble with their pyro’s and it now seems none of them come anymore. Obviously the pyros could have been stamped out, but the stewards, in my opinion, have been too hard on those kids. They aren’t even allowed to look at the away fans without being told off! One of the biggest things about football is the singing between fans, hence why they are separated, which creates a better atmosphere. You certainly don’t get a football atmosphere at the rugby sat next to a rival teams fan! The stewards clearly stopped any harm happening which is great because that’s the last thing we’d want, but let the lads sing a bit and have some fun! I hope if these kids come back that they get to enjoy the experience and are not banned from that stand any more. Also, any updates on the new ground improvements? SD mentioned that filling in the corners and improving the mackoy was next on the list with bars etc underneath. Sounded like a fantastic plan! These improvements will no doubt be vetoed by the Gestapo, as it would mean fans actually congregating in the Mackoy end and potentially trying to have fun!
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Post by stadium on Apr 26, 2018 16:28:57 GMT
I remember at the time, the club wrote a very serious statement about the pyros. It said something along the lines of 'we are aware of the popular term "no pyro, no party" whereas we would like to introduce the phrase "pyro no football' which I can only assume the individuals took seriously and decided to not come any more, with their friends not coming also. I don't agree with pyros being used at games but I also don't agree with the way the stewards dealt with it on a weekly basis. I rarely watch Eastleigh games sat in the Mackoy, but on the few occasions where i did, I remember the youngsters being told off for doing next to nothing wrong. The older supporters who martfergie mentioned they got friendly with, often got mouthy with the stewards for being overly harsh towards the youngsters, which then got them unfairly into trouble also. The whole thing was taken out of proportion because of stewards who were prejudice towards an age group which the club now has a reduced population of.
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Post by martfergie on Apr 26, 2018 19:01:23 GMT
I remember at the time, the club wrote a very serious statement about the pyros. It said something along the lines of 'we are aware of the popular term "no pyro, no party" whereas we would like to introduce the phrase "pyro no football' which I can only assume the individuals took seriously and decided to not come any more, with their friends not coming also. I don't agree with pyros being used at games but I also don't agree with the way the stewards dealt with it on a weekly basis. I rarely watch Eastleigh games sat in the Mackoy, but on the few occasions where i did, I remember the youngsters being told off for doing next to nothing wrong. The older supporters who martfergie mentioned they got friendly with, often got mouthy with the stewards for being overly harsh towards the youngsters, which then got them unfairly into trouble also. The whole thing was taken out of proportion because of stewards who were prejudice towards an age group which the club now has a reduced population of. A couple of my mates who I was introducing to the club came to the free game last season vs Maidstone where we won 3-1 and went 4th in the league at the final whistle. They both said the atmosphere that night was one of the best they’ve experienced in football!! Such a shame it’s gone now. Maybe good results on the field will attract a few more fans down and we can work on getting that atmosphere back!!
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Post by durkiboy on Apr 27, 2018 9:44:47 GMT
I remember at the time, the club wrote a very serious statement about the pyros. It said something along the lines of 'we are aware of the popular term "no pyro, no party" whereas we would like to introduce the phrase "pyro no football' which I can only assume the individuals took seriously and decided to not come any more, with their friends not coming also. I don't agree with pyros being used at games but I also don't agree with the way the stewards dealt with it on a weekly basis. I rarely watch Eastleigh games sat in the Mackoy, but on the few occasions where i did, I remember the youngsters being told off for doing next to nothing wrong. The older supporters who martfergie mentioned they got friendly with, often got mouthy with the stewards for being overly harsh towards the youngsters, which then got them unfairly into trouble also. The whole thing was taken out of proportion because of stewards who were prejudice towards an age group which the club now has a reduced population of. Totally agree. My lad is one of the Young 'un's and he has said that the stewards seem to pick on them for no reason other than that they can. Towards the ends of this season they started to stand in the East Stand. My lad thought they were being watched like hawks and that whenever one of them sneezed a dozen stewards appeared, the stewarding needs a seriously good shake up and tbh, I feel that the existing stewards, from the top to bottom of the regime need some serious training in dealing with the public.
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Post by nobadspitfire on Apr 27, 2018 11:18:51 GMT
Good post, durkiboy. I don't understand why the club hasn't acted on this before, there has been plenty of time and opportunity. Stewards are there for safety and guidance reasons, not to act as their own mini police state using their made up rules. Treat people with respect and they'll behave.
As an old git who now sits at games, I rarely see what goes on in these 'trouble hotspots', but I read enough on here to know the club has serious problems with SOME/A FEW stewards & I have now idea which ones.
If the club is content for this sort of treatment of young fans to continue, it needs to come out with a very clear statement as to why this is so, otherwise, the club needs to do something about it and issue another statement saying how things will change for next season. Stewards are paid by the club, so surely those that act contrary to the club's wishes should go.
I feel for the short/medium term support levels of the club if something is not sorted out this summer & it is a subject I will be raising at the next forum, but I bet someone beats me to it. Later:- Further thoughts...has the club considered CCTV for the 'trouble hotspots'? Surely less stewards then needed. And easier to spot anyone involved in,for example, setting off pyrotechnics.
Also, from time to time, on the grapevine we hear about home support miscreants being ejected from the ground. If the club then takes a decision to ban them from the ground/away games, is there any reason why the club shouldn't subsequently issue a statement along the lines of "65yr old male banned from the Silverlake/all away games for XX period for-details of misbehaviour". No actual naming & shaming necessary, but it would start to send a message to those thinking of causing trouble. The club may be afraid to do this fearing bad publicity, but I think it could work in the club's favour.By being transparent it will show it means business in getting rid of 'bad apples'.
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Post by durkiboy on Apr 27, 2018 13:48:29 GMT
What really irks people is that there seems to be a blatant "one rule for home fans and another rule for away fans" rule. There have been times when away fans have been less than sociable and still allowed to remain in their seats, a classic example being last week when the pyro was let off by the Macclesfield Fan(s), now, if this had been one of our fans, then I'm sure that there would have been a full SWAT squad mobilised and the naughty boy ejected! I agree with the point about issuing statements, and I feel that any exclusion should include both home and away games, as at the moment as far as I'm aware if there is a ban in place for home games, away games are not covered, so maybe a total EFC ban may be a deterrent, also, with regards to segregated/non-segregated matches, personally I feel that all matches should be segregated so that any potential trouble could be kept to a minimum, after all, both sets of fans can go into the Hangar prior to the game. One observation about the non-segregation, at the Ebbsfleet game, when McCallum took that wonderful penalty there were some Fleet fans behind the goal, and when he missed and they were celebrating, words were said by one of our Older Supporters to them, and it almost ended in a bit of a do as the home fans couldn't see the penalty etc. If and when we get EFL status, there will be no segregation anyway, so let's start as we mean to go on!!
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Post by michaelefc on Apr 27, 2018 15:07:49 GMT
As someone who on 9/10 occasions will defend our stewards, indeed any stewards, who a bit like the referee, will always get grief, I have to say that
"a classic example being last week when the pyro was let off by the Macclesfield Fan(s), now, if this had been one of our fans, then I'm sure that there would have been a full SWAT squad mobilised and the naughty boy ejected"! Was exactly my thoughts. I am these days the last person in the world, who wants to cause trouble to anybody, but I really do feel that at EFC home and away fans are not treated equally and that can't be right.
Less anybody misunderstand, please don't think I am being an apologist for anybody throwing a flare, or causing aggravation, I'm not. The game doesn't need it, EFC doesn't need it, and I don't need. But treatment has to be even handed and currently it isn't.
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Post by nobadspitfire on Apr 27, 2018 15:13:47 GMT
[quote author=" durkiboy" source="/post/49208/thread" If and when we get EFL status, there will be no segregation anyway, so let's start as we mean to go on!![/quote] Think you mean that with EFL status all games WILL BE SEGREGATED, there, durkiboy.
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