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Post by bigchief on Apr 18, 2018 19:38:24 GMT
I've already wrote this but on wrong page...I've been to many away games this season and I must say the young lads(2 of them mine) have been a real credit to the club. On many occasions the lads have been louder than most home fans, the singing and the banging of the drum has been great...the lads have even met the home fans and had great fun with them...I would be more worried about some of our adults, the swearing especially the word c... .the ebbsfleet keeper yesterday kicked off as something was shouted from our fans,with the stewards getting involved...so let's not worry about a few kids singing, banging a drum oh and of cause standing ..
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Post by tyreman on Apr 18, 2018 20:10:22 GMT
Think the problem is there is no one to speak for the kids, they're not coming so until someone tells the club why, then nothing can or will get done about it. No question they clearly have issues with the stewards - but are the stewards conducting themselves in accordance with club wishes? Why are they being restricted in where they can go in the ground? Are they banned from the South Stand because of the fear a flare might go off? Are they fed up being body search/bag search at every home game, tarnishing all of them with the same brush? I think I am right in saying that at the start of the season SD was to take charge of "The Young Supporters Club" or something on a similar line where he would meet with them regularly and discuss ways of moving forward as regards educating them on why there are ground rules and so forth, but more important if they had SD speaking for them he would build up trust for them and they'd likely respond to that. That they've disappeared from EFC should be a concern, they are the long term future of the club after all us olden's kick the bucket in due course. I think another good voice for them would be Tracy (TSSC) so maybe first TSSC could find some of these youngsters and invite them to come in for a chat with her and SD if it could be arranged somewhere down the line. Problems can't be resolved unless their views are put across and then something hopefully can be sorted out. The South Stand is going to be the new Eastleigh End and we need to generate the atmosphere in there, the kids would do that. SD has said many many times that the players appreciate the atmosphere and support given, it helps lift their game and probably explains why home form has been poor this season. Away support is more vocal, are the kids travelling to away games then? If this is so, then clearly they must feel picked on by the home stewards and they've had enough of it. Any concerns regarding this subject I would say let them attend the TSSC AGM on the 3rd May and let’s have it out in the open. There was a problem sometime ago with Callum Smith who was moved from the back row, I spoke with Richard Montigue about this and the ruling is the back row must be kept clear in case a steward or medical person has to gain access.
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Post by Bruce Forbes on Apr 18, 2018 20:20:23 GMT
Think the problem is there is no one to speak for the kids, they're not coming so until someone tells the club why, then nothing can or will get done about it. No question they clearly have issues with the stewards - but are the stewards conducting themselves in accordance with club wishes? Why are they being restricted in where they can go in the ground? Are they banned from the South Stand because of the fear a flare might go off? Are they fed up being body search/bag search at every home game, tarnishing all of them with the same brush? I think I am right in saying that at the start of the season SD was to take charge of "The Young Supporters Club" or something on a similar line where he would meet with them regularly and discuss ways of moving forward as regards educating them on why there are ground rules and so forth, but more important if they had SD speaking for them he would build up trust for them and they'd likely respond to that. That they've disappeared from EFC should be a concern, they are the long term future of the club after all us olden's kick the bucket in due course. I think another good voice for them would be Tracy (TSSC) so maybe first TSSC could find some of these youngsters and invite them to come in for a chat with her and SD if it could be arranged somewhere down the line. Problems can't be resolved unless their views are put across and then something hopefully can be sorted out. The South Stand is going to be the new Eastleigh End and we need to generate the atmosphere in there, the kids would do that. SD has said many many times that the players appreciate the atmosphere and support given, it helps lift their game and probably explains why home form has been poor this season. Away support is more vocal, are the kids travelling to away games then? If this is so, then clearly they must feel picked on by the home stewards and they've had enough of it. Any concerns regarding this subject I would say let them attend the TSSC AGM on the 3rd May and let’s have it out in the open. There was a problem sometime ago with Callum Smith who was moved from the back row, I spoke with Richard Montigue about this and the ruling is the back row must be kept clear in case a steward or medical person has to gain access. Why is this "rule" only applied to the Home fans?
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Post by bigchief on Apr 18, 2018 20:55:04 GMT
As I said on other page I am happy to help find out why the young fans aren't turning up ,making noise ..when on a away game with my 2 son's and the other lads any problems they come to me..so if it needs me the lads to sit down with someone at the club we will
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Post by tyreman on Apr 18, 2018 21:50:10 GMT
Any concerns regarding this subject I would say let them attend the TSSC AGM on the 3rd May and let’s have it out in the open. There was a problem sometime ago with Callum Smith who was moved from the back row, I spoke with Richard Montigue about this and the ruling is the back row must be kept clear in case a steward or medical person has to gain access. Why is this "rule" only applied to the Home fans? If they need access in the home side, I would agree it should be exactly the same in the away. Why not send any of your questions to efcspitfires@gmail.com under the heading “Questions for the club” and we will be able to look into it more thoroughly. Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 10:41:45 GMT
That ruling is just a load of poppycock. If there was a medical emergency what makes the stewards think it will be in the row next to the top? Suppose the medical emergency is in the middle row of the stand? In such a case I would imagine fans would vacate the row asap in those circumstances. As for a steward to gain access, its the same issue, suppose the stewards need to go into a middle row?
Last August I blew my top about this to a Director and SD as half time approached, the Dagenham fans were allowed onto the top row, Eastleigh fans weren't. Nothing has been done about it. I'm led to believe the club has no control regarding crowd safety and is entirely up to the chief steward how he has his team control the crowd.
Are you telling me that if say we got to the 3rd round of the FA Cup and got a home draw against one of the big six, the steward would prevent the club selling the seats in the top row??? As I said at the beginning, this is all poppycock.
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Post by bomber on Apr 19, 2018 11:07:01 GMT
That ruling is just a load of poppycock. If there was a medical emergency what makes the stewards think it will be in the row next to the top? Suppose the medical emergency is in the middle row of the stand? In such a case I would imagine fans would vacate the row asap in those circumstances. As for a steward to gain access, its the same issue, suppose the stewards need to go into a middle row? Last August I blew my top about this to a Director and SD as half time approached, the Dagenham fans were allowed onto the top row, Eastleigh fans weren't. Nothing has been done about it. I'm led to believe the club has no control regarding crowd safety and is entirely up to the chief steward how he has his team control the crowd. Are you telling me that if say we got to the 3rd round of the FA Cup and got a home draw against one of the big six, the steward would prevent the club selling the seats in the top row??? As I said at the beginning, this is all poppycock. Absolutely great point! We had over 5000 in for the Bolton game, everyone stood in the hatched areas as well. Not a peep from the Hi Viz Gestapo. Who is this Mick safety steward fella? Is he a short bloke with glasses, dark hair thinning on top, always wears an earpiece? If it is, he was the fella that got the two heavies on Tuesday night to remove three Ebbsfleet fans from near the clubhouse, even though they were doing nothing wrong.. I note that Stewart Donald hasn't looked at this place for 9 months. Shame.
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Post by westendspitfire on Apr 19, 2018 11:37:53 GMT
Put the roof back on the shed, that one thing killed the atomosphere for me. The low roof meant that you could hear what people were saying and then you would get an exchange going across the stand, if one person started singing you didn't have to be stood next to them to hear them. Now if there is any rain in the air I cannot stand there as I don't have windscreen wipers on my glasses. The Mackoy has good accoustics, but it is too big for the size of our home fanbase, so any singing is just in a small area and there is no chance you would ever get the whole stand joining in(even if the football was good).
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Post by RapidDecline on Apr 19, 2018 11:41:25 GMT
That ruling is just a load of poppycock. If there was a medical emergency what makes the stewards think it will be in the row next to the top? Suppose the medical emergency is in the middle row of the stand? In such a case I would imagine fans would vacate the row asap in those circumstances. As for a steward to gain access, its the same issue, suppose the stewards need to go into a middle row? Last August I blew my top about this to a Director and SD as half time approached, the Dagenham fans were allowed onto the top row, Eastleigh fans weren't. Nothing has been done about it. I'm led to believe the club has no control regarding crowd safety and is entirely up to the chief steward how he has his team control the crowd. Are you telling me that if say we got to the 3rd round of the FA Cup and got a home draw against one of the big six, the steward would prevent the club selling the seats in the top row??? As I said at the beginning, this is all poppycock. Yep, agree, leaving back rows empty for emergency purposes, simply doesn't add up - show me any other 'professional' football club that does this !?! - I've been to more games in this country & elsewhere than I've had hot dinners and I can't recall ever seeing 'back rows' being kept clear for 'emergency purposes' by stewards.
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Post by Bruce Forbes on Apr 19, 2018 14:52:02 GMT
That ruling is just a load of poppycock. If there was a medical emergency what makes the stewards think it will be in the row next to the top? Suppose the medical emergency is in the middle row of the stand? In such a case I would imagine fans would vacate the row asap in those circumstances. As for a steward to gain access, its the same issue, suppose the stewards need to go into a middle row? Last August I blew my top about this to a Director and SD as half time approached, the Dagenham fans were allowed onto the top row, Eastleigh fans weren't. Nothing has been done about it. I'm led to believe the club has no control regarding crowd safety and is entirely up to the chief steward how he has his team control the crowd. Are you telling me that if say we got to the 3rd round of the FA Cup and got a home draw against one of the big six, the steward would prevent the club selling the seats in the top row??? As I said at the beginning, this is all poppycock. Maybe it's time to find a new Chief Steward? We need someone who has the confidence to control the fans with a smile on his face, not someone who would strangle the business because he is scared of his own fans.
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Post by durkiboy on Apr 19, 2018 15:02:33 GMT
That ruling is just a load of poppycock. If there was a medical emergency what makes the stewards think it will be in the row next to the top? Suppose the medical emergency is in the middle row of the stand? In such a case I would imagine fans would vacate the row asap in those circumstances. As for a steward to gain access, its the same issue, suppose the stewards need to go into a middle row? Last August I blew my top about this to a Director and SD as half time approached, the Dagenham fans were allowed onto the top row, Eastleigh fans weren't. Nothing has been done about it. I'm led to believe the club has no control regarding crowd safety and is entirely up to the chief steward how he has his team control the crowd. Are you telling me that if say we got to the 3rd round of the FA Cup and got a home draw against one of the big six, the steward would prevent the club selling the seats in the top row??? As I said at the beginning, this is all poppycock. Absolutely great point! We had over 5000 in for the Bolton game, everyone stood in the hatched areas as well. Not a peep from the Hi Viz Gestapo. Who is this Mick safety steward fella? Is he a short bloke with glasses, dark hair thinning on top, always wears an earpiece? If it is, he was the fella that got the two heavies on Tuesday night to remove three Ebbsfleet fans from near the clubhouse, even though they were doing nothing wrong.. I note that Stewart Donald hasn't looked at this place for 9 months. Shame. Bomber, was this in the 2nd half, just after that abysmal penalty? If it was then there were some pretty choice words said by some of the "older" fans towards these guys, so that may have prompted the move as these three were celebrating the penalty save.....
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Post by thelake on Apr 19, 2018 20:16:54 GMT
Bring back the shed & the spitfires at the top end of the league and we will have atmosphere!
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Post by bomber on Apr 20, 2018 14:32:10 GMT
Absolutely great point! We had over 5000 in for the Bolton game, everyone stood in the hatched areas as well. Not a peep from the Hi Viz Gestapo. Who is this Mick safety steward fella? Is he a short bloke with glasses, dark hair thinning on top, always wears an earpiece? If it is, he was the fella that got the two heavies on Tuesday night to remove three Ebbsfleet fans from near the clubhouse, even though they were doing nothing wrong.. I note that Stewart Donald hasn't looked at this place for 9 months. Shame. Bomber, was this in the 2nd half, just after that abysmal penalty? If it was then there were some pretty choice words said by some of the "older" fans towards these guys, so that may have prompted the move as these three were celebrating the penalty save..... I don't know what was said as I was stood on the terrace. I just saw it.
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Post by unknownquantity on Apr 21, 2018 8:31:07 GMT
I have only once sat in the Mackoy stand, so do not have first hand experience of the issues raised here.
However I went to one away match last season where I thought our own stewards did a good job in keeping the away fans in check. I also have found the chief steward very approachable and have had very many good conversations with him after games have concluded.
Stewards have the responsibility that ground regulations are adhered to, although I know from my experience that it can be annoying if they make more of an issue than is necessary and I certainly do not think there could be can be one rule for one and a different one for another.
I think though that a fans forum where representatives of both sides can exchange ideas with each other and listen to viewpoints from each other. I usually find face to face dialogue where both sides are prepared to take on board comments from the other side is the best way forward.
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Post by bomber on Apr 21, 2018 21:46:51 GMT
I managed to collar one of our younger lads today and he reckons the lot that were chopped down last season are going to make a comeback.
I told him they were missed as the atmosphere is flat without them.
Hopefully that comes to fruition, I'll certainly back them up should the stewards get on their backs!
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