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Nov 7, 2017 13:01:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 13:01:49 GMT
When all said and done the lower leagues and non leagues only get 20 teams into the 3rd round when Premier and Championship teams come in. Why not have Championship teams enter at 1st Round and Premier at 2nd round which benefits greatly those who get to that stage of a massive payday. Premier sides can play in 2nd round early December without making a dent in the league programme....maybe playing midweek? Overall l'd scrap The League Cup tbh as there is little interest from teams until the last 4 stage.
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Post by stadium on Nov 7, 2017 13:26:17 GMT
When all said and done the lower leagues and non leagues only get 20 teams into the 3rd round when Premier and Championship teams come in. Why not have Championship teams enter at 1st Round and Premier at 2nd round which benefits greatly those who get to that stage of a massive payday. Premier sides can play in 2nd round early December without making a dent in the league programme....maybe playing midweek? Overall l'd scrap The League Cup tbh as there is little interest from teams until the last 4 stage. I guess because then round 3 would be predominantly premier league and championship clubs anyway as not many are likely to be knocked out in rounds 1 and 2. It's current set up at least means more non league teams get a chance to get to rounds 2 and 3. You'd then end up with 90% of the competition only consisting of premier league and championship clubs potentially whereas at least there will be a lot of smaller clubs in round 3 as it stands
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 14:55:13 GMT
I get your argument Stadium but you miss the point, round one a non league side could draw Wolves for example...cash bells ringing probably....meanwhile other non league teams into round two could get Liverpool, Arsenal, United, City, Spurs, or Chelsea with live TV and gate money...then it's a no brainier surely?
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Nov 7, 2017 15:42:27 GMT
Post by hantslondoner on Nov 7, 2017 15:42:27 GMT
In Germany all teams enter the first round, and the lower-ranked team is at home. Sounds reasonable to me.
I've got to say, for me, squad systems have taken away some of the romance of the Cup. The attraction of, say, a Man United team with a couple of stars, some reserves and a couple of youths isn't quite so high. And if we happened to beat them, it would be great but not so great as beating a full first team. Lincoln had a great run last year but - whisper it - some of the opposition they faced was not that strong, to be honest.
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Nov 7, 2017 17:21:53 GMT
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Post by westendspitfire on Nov 7, 2017 17:21:53 GMT
Pretty sure the Premier League will be arguing the other direction, that they don't play until all the little teams are back in their hutch. Not much hope of them wanting to help anyone else out financially....
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Post by unknownquantity on Nov 7, 2017 19:14:47 GMT
If one argues that the F A Cup is loaded in favour of the league clubs one can reasonably argue that the non-league entry is loaded in favour of the National League clubs. For teams outside the Conference to have a chance of earning a money spinning tie with a National League team they have to win either three, four or five ties dependent on their status.
I believe there was a time when some National League clubs entered the competition at the 1st qualifying round, and that when that was altered it represented a significant change.
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Nov 8, 2017 9:07:25 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 9:07:25 GMT
The FA Cup has certainly lost a lot of its romance, as mentioned by hantslonder, in the 3rd round most teams at the top of the Championship and Premier League will use squad players, likewise teams at the bottom of Championship and Premier will do the same...no wonder it is a bookies favourite round you just cannot assume what teams will be put out and usually they clean up. My pet hate is the Tennis system, seeded players mean they avoid each other until the later stages. I get the fact you earn the number one world status and therefore you are often number one seed, number two, ect ect but you should not be afraid to play the next best in the world in the first round if drawn out to do so...cream as they say will always rise to the top but its pretty boring that most finals tend to be number one V's either number 2 or 3 ranked player.
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Post by thelake on Nov 8, 2017 21:33:20 GMT
i think the FA cup is great as it is. hopefully we will have many more chances to play big league clubs
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 7:35:38 GMT
The romance of The FA Cup now belongs in Rounds 1, 2, 3 and possibly 4 if concerning non league clubs, Premier and League clubs are not really interested unless they reach the quarter final stages. Its a sad old tournament these days with little money in it for the major clubs and just a Euro League slot for the winners on Thursday nights which disrupts their season by having to play Sundays. The magic has died, its nowhere near as glorious as it was up until the end of the 70's when cup final day was a pretty special day for football fans. Now its nothing and rarely do you get a good game, the last cracking final for most people was Liverpool v West Ham.
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Nov 9, 2017 8:06:45 GMT
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Post by westendspitfire on Nov 9, 2017 8:06:45 GMT
The issue is the same as in so many areas, money. The big boys are so much better because they have big squads. They can win the competition by playing the reserves in earlier rounds because everyone else cannot stretch their squad to compete as they risk relegation. Too many examples of teams having a go in the cup and going down mean any manager is risking his job for a day out that will likely end in a big defeat to Arsenal, Chelsea or Man U.
In the 70s there were 9 different winners. In the past 25 years the 3 above have won it 19 times.
However there can still be good days/years and thats why we still go rather then constantly watch the tv.
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Nov 9, 2017 8:25:52 GMT
Post by hantslondoner on Nov 9, 2017 8:25:52 GMT
Another consequence of the money on offer is that some teams, e.g. Tottenham, consistently underperform in the cups (even the Europa League) because they are concentrating on gaining a top 4 PL place to qualify for the 'Champions' League, because you get more money for qualifying than for winning a cup.
Ironic coming from the club whose Danny Blanchflower sad that the game 'was all about glory'. Tottenham may have had the second best squad in England for the last few seasons (contentious statement, I know) but is there/will there be any silverware to show for it? No. And Pochettino regularly disregarded cup games at Southampton too.
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Nov 9, 2017 11:26:04 GMT
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Post by westendspitfire on Nov 9, 2017 11:26:04 GMT
Based on Premier League finishes Tottenham aren't even the best team in London and haven't been for a very long time 😂😂😂
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Nov 9, 2017 12:08:25 GMT
Post by hantslondoner on Nov 9, 2017 12:08:25 GMT
'in the last few seasons' -and I did say contentious!
Average over the last three seasons between the two North London clubs is actually the same (one 2nd, one 3rd, one 5th) and this season Tottenham are ahead. I was surprised when I saw this - Tottenham have hardly ever been this consistent before, they were always a cup team....
Man City have better figures over that period, not sure if anyone else has.
Anyway, this is all PL stuff :-) My point was that they seem to have given up on the cups, which I think is rather a shame, and will not leave such a lasting legacy, IMO.
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Nov 9, 2017 21:45:51 GMT
Post by thelake on Nov 9, 2017 21:45:51 GMT
guess you can have the same league v cup debate with Eastleigh fc and the trophy.
even if we make a playoff spot would take getting through 3 rounds to win it, so unlikely. give me a run in the trophy i reckon
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Nov 9, 2017 21:51:17 GMT
Post by hantslondoner on Nov 9, 2017 21:51:17 GMT
I said the same thing on another thread. It's about time we took the Trophy seriously again. I know people who remember Harlow last year...
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