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Post by rocky on Jun 20, 2020 7:42:09 GMT
What do people thing about this? Wonder if it will happen at our level.
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Post by spiritofeastleigh on Jun 21, 2020 7:21:43 GMT
I'm all for players taking the knee and if they do it at our level on the eventual return of football I'd support it. But I am sure all the players will be horrified they wore Black Lives Matter (Of course they do) when their agenda is to abolish the police, destroy capitalism, close the prisons and basically dismantle society as we know it. The players wore those shirts to support equality and wipe out racism, nothing else. All Lives Matter would have been a better slogan, life is precious to us all, no matter what colour of your skin. For me the photo of Patrick Hutchinson picking up, and saving almost certain death for Bryn Male is one that represents all of us, that one act of human kindness is one we should all embrace. My motto is a simple one, "I see no colour, I see no disability, I see only a human being, be respectful to everyone"
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Post by rocky on Jun 21, 2020 16:41:15 GMT
So you support taking the knee but not black lives matter. Sound a bit odd?
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Post by nobadspitfire on Jun 21, 2020 16:54:43 GMT
BLM agenda is to abolish the police, destroy capitalism, close the prisons and basically dismantle society as we know it.
In which country is that the case? Which reactionary Tory supporting rag did you read that in? I thought BLM aims were pretty much as you say towards the end of your post, which is what the vast majoity of decent people would wish. I'd be interested to read the proof that the above agenda is the aim of BLM.
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Post by goderz3 on Jun 21, 2020 16:55:24 GMT
No I don't agree with it , all lives matter, including 40,ooo people that have died in this pandemic, perhaps we could have a rainbow on our shirts.
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Post by boyatthood on Jun 21, 2020 20:31:54 GMT
No I don't agree with it , all lives matter, including 40,ooo people that have died in this pandemic, perhaps we could have a rainbow on our shirts. I thought Gay pride had the copyright on the rainbow?! If I am honest sport and politics should try to be avoided but if players wish to make a political gesture then so be it. Its no different to a player making the sign of the cross as they enter the pitch. Part of being a liberal democracy is freedom of expression.
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Post by back4more on Jun 21, 2020 22:51:14 GMT
So you support taking the knee but not black lives matter. Sound a bit odd? I think SoE sees "taking the knee" as symbolic of us all being equal rather than the corrosive aims of BLM. I would not genuflect except to God but I fully understand what he means. Hopefully people will catch on to the evil that BLM organisation represents. Apart from the aims SoE mentions they also plan to eliminate the "Western Nuclear Family". In other words the idea of family we all hold dear.
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Post by back4more on Jun 21, 2020 23:10:39 GMT
BLM agenda is to abolish the police, destroy capitalism, close the prisons and basically dismantle society as we know it.
In which country is that the case? Which reactionary Tory supporting rag did you read that in? I thought BLM aims were pretty much as you say towards the end of your post, which is what the vast majoity of decent people would wish. I'd be interested to read the proof that the above agenda is the aim of BLM.
He took that from the BLM website which seems to have been sanitised in the last couple of days since they realised some people were actually reading it. Having read the evil poison on the BLM website myself a few days ago I can tell you that everything SoE says was there. Here's another view. www.nairalovers.com/629321/esther-krakue-i-dared-to-question-the-aims-of-black-lives-matter/Personally I am sick of being demonised because I am white. Most of our ancestors were exploited, subjugated, oppressed and suppressed in centuries past whether in England, Ireland, Scotland or Wales. I come from humble beginnings with no money and zero prospects. My first job was in Liverpool 8, the location for the infamous Toxteth riots. I wasn't any better off than the rioters then. The nonsense of the self entitled middle class munchkins who imagine that because they are white then everyone white has their so called privileges is leading to a fracture in what was a respectful and harmonious society.
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Post by spiritofeastleigh on Jun 22, 2020 6:52:51 GMT
The aim of BLM is exactly what I wrote, they are not lies. I did not know they've taken that content down off their website so I assume it is out there nationally now, probably a newspaper, and if so, why hasn't the awful BBC news picked it up? They are cherry picking the news they give us, the BBC is anti British these days if you are a white person born in this island. As I said in the original post I made, when this story is in the main stream, a lot of those players in the Premier League will be horrified of their overall agenda, that is not what they were representing. BLM is a section of the extreme left wing views people have in the UK, just like some have extreme right wing views, both trying to gain the middle ground which most of us are content with. We will never live in a perfect world, groups will always have their own agenda's to promote their own way of life, but they will never sway the vast majority of people for extreme changes. I support the eradication of racism in all forms and I am proud I have friends of colour. I sadly know some racists, to one of them I used to say, "When a coloured player scores a goal for your club or England, do you cheer?" He wasn't going to answer, but it made him think. To another I said "If you had a heart attack and a coloured doctor saved your life, would you be grateful?" He did answer but was I knew he was lying, he replied "I'd rather die" which brings me back to Patrick Hutchinson and Bryn Male, that is what the world should strive for. I believe at long last, racism is going to be kicked into touch, but not by a movement with an agenda like BLM, it will be done by ordinary people, people like you and me, people who believe all lives matter and all life is precious. This pandemic has shown the world how precious it is to all of us, now lets all unite together for there is only one race - The Human Race.
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Post by nobadspitfire on Jun 22, 2020 8:59:52 GMT
Esther Krakue writing for the Daily Mail & endorsed by Gerard Batten, just about says it all.
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Post by back4more on Jun 22, 2020 11:40:28 GMT
Her comments are hers. The Mail decided to publish them from their original source. Her comments should be read before being judged based on their appearance in any particular newspaper.
And one comment from the "What We Believe" page from the BLM website which they have not deleted - yet:-
'We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” ...'
For 'Western-prescribed" I think we can read white. For 'nuclear family structure' we can surely read mum, dad and kids. And that's directly from their website, not from a newspaper.
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Post by nobadspitfire on Jun 22, 2020 16:26:27 GMT
But the M**l chose to publish it because it suits their divisive agenda. Think it must be the Stephen Laxley-Lennon/faridge inspired BLM site you've been drawn to. Blacklivesmatter.com is US based & makes no mention of your accusations, & Wikipedia quotes it as being a peaceful movement. Dead easy for UK racists to set up a website to discredit the movement. As we know, the vast majority of protests in this country have been peaceful, I attended one such myself, but they're not newsworthy. The media love it when something kicks off & there are no doubt agents provocateurs involved where riots have occurred. Don't believe everything you read in the M**l, S*n, Ex****s or T*******h. And be careful in other papers.
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Post by spiritofeastleigh on Jun 22, 2020 16:54:28 GMT
The Mail is now the most read daily newspaper in the UK. Once it was The Mirror, then The Sun. The BBC news sector is also taking a hit in the UK, the British public are not stupid. The Mail is number one for a reason, it just gives the facts, they don't twist them to a left or right wing agenda. It is something The Mirror, Sun and BBC do often, all in the belief they think the British public are stupid and will believe THEIR agenda of the truth. Nothing the Mail wrote is false, and I will agree the USA based BLM is a peaceful movement compared to what the UK sector are proposing and the public should be aware of it, particularly as 35,000 people have made donations to the UK movement.
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Post by nobadspitfire on Jun 22, 2020 17:03:48 GMT
Oh, how misinformed and deluded you are to believe such nonsense. It's laughable that you can say that about the M**l. If you want unbiased reporting, try the i, from the Independent. Clue in the title.
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Post by hantslondoner on Jun 22, 2020 17:08:40 GMT
'The Mail is number one for a reason, it just gives the facts, they don't twist them to a left or right wing agenda.' LOL -does anyone seriously believe that?
I remember being (falsely) moaned at by some idiot once for mentioning politics in a thread - it was one of the reasons I have reduced my postings here to a minimum. Back4more will probably remember it. Here we have a full-blown discussion which is coming out with all sorts of controversial things which I think could cause offence to some people. Could a moderator please look over this?
For the record, my belief is that the knee/BLM on the shirt was in response to an individual event (a black man being killed by a white policeman in the US). The demos and the football pre-match stuff is based on that event. Unfortunately all sorts of extremists on both sides have since been attracted to it and the original reason has been forgotten.
Of course all lives matter, I don't think anyone would argue with that, but this was a specific response to a specific event.
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