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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 14:45:12 GMT
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Post by spiritofeastleigh on Jun 21, 2020 16:38:34 GMT
Stevenage have a nerve to be honest. Macclesfield have been deducted lots of points this season, is it 13? And still Stevenage are bottom, just accept they deserve to be relegated.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 17:16:43 GMT
Yep possibly the worst ever Football League team? Spent all their budget on the stadium and took their eye off the pitch. I should imagine lawyers would start by looking at the Stevenage win column and stop there. Keep Macc in the EFL, National League shouldn't have to deal with the fallout of poor EFL admin.
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Post by blueandwhite on Jun 22, 2020 20:42:34 GMT
I should imagine lawyers would start by looking at the Stevenage win column and stop there.
having spent a few years in the legal profession (not as a lawyer) that will have no bearing on things whatsoever and nor should it. Macclesfield's predicament is complex and where points deductions are made its always tricky as there is rarely a "right" answer, it would be surprising of the EFL to change tack, but should new information come to light they may. As with a lot of matters at the current time, this is fluid situation and we cannot be sure what will happen next.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 9:20:52 GMT
4 important players not involved in Barnet 'play off squad' could this be a future yearly thing
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Post by spiritofeastleigh on Jul 4, 2020 7:09:28 GMT
Seems likely that Stevenage will stay up by default with the EFL challenging the decision to deduct Macclesfield only two points which kept them up. Stevenage seem to have succeeded in convincing their fellow members that the deduction of just two points was unfair to them as it meant they were relegated because of it!!! Couple of issues here for me, firstly did Stevenage or the EFL complain about any of the previous deductions of points to Macclesfield? If not, why not? And secondly, the deductions are not necessarily automatic 3 points deductions (unless it is the automatic 12 points for entering administration) as prior to their last two point deduction Macclesfield had already been deducted 11 points. On the pitch Macclesfield were 13 points better than Stevenage, yet despite that, they remain above them in the table so there is no question Stevenage deserve their relegation. This would be an appalling miscarriage of fair play and I think legally, if Macclesfield are deducted the necessary one extra point needed to relegate them instead of Stevenage, they'd stand a good chance in a court of law of winning. It is ironic that 48 years after the injustice done to Barrow FC who have just regained FL status in a voting scandal that relegated them back in 1972 that a very similar outcome is being done behind closed doors this season.
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Post by unknownquantity on Jul 5, 2020 8:50:49 GMT
With respect to Barrow's relegation in 1972 I expect that location had something to do with it as it almost certainly did with Gateshead in the previous decade, but it is perhaps worth pointing out that it was their 6th application for re-election in 14 years. That season the finished 22nd which many people think should now be deemed a relegation position and the previous season they finished bottom and were the only team to apply for re-election in both 1970/71 and 1971/72. I wonder voting was used now whether n a choice between Barrow and a Southern based team how they would view the matter.
I think the Stevenage/Macclesfield issue is a difficult one. Whether deferred punishments are a good idea is debatable when they determine the difference between promotion and relegation and Boston's promotion to the football league in 2002 was I believe fairly controversial.
When a team owes its' relegation position solely to the fact that one of the teams finishing above them in the table broke the rules of the competition then there is a case for relegating the offending club instead, but in this case I think it is a question of what is the most reasonable point deduction.
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Post by spiritofeastleigh on Jul 5, 2020 9:59:29 GMT
I think, though happy to be corrected otherwise, that in those days when Barrow were removed from the football league, the bottom four had to re-apply to stay in the football league, and the season they were removed they actually finished 3rd bottom. I totally agree their location was the major factor in losing their status. It is disgusting that the old schools network of looking out for a mate is working to help Stevenage at the expense of Macclesfield by attempting to move the goal posts and relegate them by default.
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Post by unknownquantity on Jul 5, 2020 15:21:29 GMT
I am not sure it is the old schools network of looking out for a mate in the Stevenage/Macclesfield issue. Stevenage have completed their 10th season as a football league club, while Macclesfield have just completed their 16th. It seems that Macclesfield have been unable to complete a couple of fixtures and it is a question of whether you feel the punishment is sufficient.
With Barrow I think that Herefcrd's F A Cup run was definitely also a factor and Ronnie Radford's goal against Newcastle remains an iconic soccer moment 48 years later.
I have already mentioned the fact that Barrow were 22nd the season they were relegated and have also referred to the fact that this was their 6th application for re-election in 14 seasons.
As Barrow had finished bottom the previous season it is possible that there would be clubs took the line that they would support them this time, but would not necessarily do so if they had to apply for re-election the following season if there was a strong contender to replace them. Having said that Gateshead's relegation in the previous decade seems to have little to do with their previous record.
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