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Post by hantslondoner on May 12, 2016 19:09:51 GMT
Chris Todd speaks on the subject of Will Evans: www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/14488872.Eastleigh_boss_Todd_stands_by_his_decision_to_release_Evans/So he wasn't consistent enough and CT wasn't sure if he was a midfielder or a defender. Doesn't totally convince me, I'm afraid. I'm sure Will played wherever he was told to suit the team and manager. But if the boss doesn't think there was enough potential to pursue, then that's his shout. CT also mentions he himself is on a rolling contract so is making the big decisions. Good support from SD.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2016 21:00:06 GMT
Seems to me the manager is looking after his mates as he did last season, how is Jai Reason still there, and Will Evans gone. hope an announcement is made soon re the managers position
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Post by boyatthood on May 12, 2016 21:00:43 GMT
Chris Todd speaks on the subject of Will Evans: www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/14488872.Eastleigh_boss_Todd_stands_by_his_decision_to_release_Evans/So he wasn't consistent enough and CT wasn't sure if he was a midfielder or a defender. Doesn't totally convince me, I'm afraid. I'm sure Will played wherever he was told to suit the team and manager. But if the boss doesn't think there was enough potential to pursue, then that's his shout. CT also mentions he himself is on a rolling contract so is making the big decisions. Good support from SD. The key part was as expected, wages. We are all calling for a dominant centre back and they dont come cheap. If we are giving Jack a pro contract and CT thinks he can step up in emergencies then letting Will go is the right decision if he wasnt going to play after we have financed this top quality centre back. Im with CT on this one. I agree too. Todd is right that Evans had some great games but ultimately he is not good enough as a centre half to play at a higher level. I also detect from his comments that he didn't think Evans could improve in this position next year either. We forget he was bought in as a midfielder to begin with and he adapted to being a centre half. Wages will indeed be another factor if we go for quality centre half perhaps with league experience like Reid.
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Post by boyatthood on May 12, 2016 21:04:53 GMT
Seems to me the manager is looking after his mates as he did last season, how is Jai Reason still there, and Will Evans gone. hope an announcement is made soon re the managers position Because Jai Reason was already under contract. Time to move on and trust the management that they are after much better players than Will Evans in the future.
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Post by tenacres on May 12, 2016 21:15:14 GMT
It was previously suggested by that Jai Reason didn't have a contract for next season, bit of a strange one there.
Anyway he now does, that's what matters. I'm glad, TBH last season was probably his worst for us, hoping for a good season next year from Jai.
As for Will Evans, must be a decent chance he will end up at Sutton.
Always sad to see a player go who has been with us a few years and is a "100 per center" but included to agree with the poster above in suggesting we will have better next season.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 7:38:14 GMT
Seems to me the manager is looking after his mates as he did last season, how is Jai Reason still there, and Will Evans gone. hope an announcement is made soon re the managers position Really ? Jai is an absolute no brainer. He shouldn't even be in this division, and I don't mean he should drop down either. Todd is to blame for shackling Jai for the majority of last season. Far to lazy and is by-passed with Todd's long ball tactics
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 9:24:41 GMT
Some interesting comments here, not least from the manager. My first question would be has Toddy had to go to the Echo to respond to the fans on here questioning the release of Will Evans, or have the Echo just asked him for an interview and then the Will Evans question was the first question the Echo reporter hit him with. It makes a big difference to me, which way the interview was put together, as i feel that the club have messed up with letting Evans go & have been forced into explaining the reasons why. I feel the biggest quote from Toddy was that he felt that Evans was inconsistent and could not improve next season. At just 24 yrs of age, i'm staggered that the manager felt the club do not have the coaching abilities to improve a player, who clearly (imo) has massive room for improvement and with the right coaching is without doubt a FL player in the making. I would argue that EVERY player has been inconsistent this season and that is why we didnt make the play offs, so to pick Will out publicly like this, seems an incredible statement to make and smacks of being the "excuse" to feed to the fans in the hope it shuts them up. I hope Evans moves to Sutton, who will turn him into a great CH. They did the same with Charlie Clough, who they took from Dorchester and turned him into the best CH in the Conf South, where after spending a couple of seasons getting some good coaching under Dossie, he got a move to FGR, where he has been outstanding for them this season. Evans, under Dossie, can do the same, imo.
The most inconsistent players this year have been Jai, Beano, Turley, Flitney & Dury, yet they are all staying. 2 of those were already under contract and i understand that Drury & Beano have signed new deals/extensions to their old deals. I believe only Joe Partington has been the only consistent player all season, so not sure why Evans was picking out yet these others were not!?
If fans really think that Jack Smith is going to be back up to the new CH pairing, then they are being naive. Jack will not play 1 minute next season for our first team & i believe that in letting Evans go, we will more than likely bring in 2 new CH's. If one of the 3 main CH's then gets a long term injury, then we will go out and get a loanee replacement. Do people really think that if SD is severely upping the budget and going for winning the league this year, that we would trust a youth player in such an important position?. Not a chance & that's why Noice was let go, for the same reason. So that to me, makes letting Evans go, even stranger? Would you want Evans as a back up or a youth player. No brainer to me. and i dont think you can say its down to wages, knowing how much SD is going to throw at it this year. Evans wages would not have been a factor! When all said and done, i'm very disappointed that the manager feels that they could not coach Evans to become a better player, that's not a slur on Evans ability, thats a slur on our coaching ability.
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Post by hantslondoner on May 13, 2016 10:05:19 GMT
Agree with all that, Sattsy, apart from the fact that I thought Drury was one of our most consistent players, and when he was out injured we suffered big time.
That's why I said I wasn't convinced by CT's comments in the article either.
I really wonder what was wrong with Jai last season. We saw what he can do in previous seasons; but I thought he only showed his capabilities only very occasionally this time, and when asked to fill in with Payne in central midfield, it didn't work at all. Was he injured, unfit, overweight, or having a crisis of confidence? Was it the management or the style of playing? Let's hope he gets back his form next season.
I was disappointed with Tubbs, as most people were; however in the Tranmere game I spent a few minutes watching just him - he was running a lot, his movement was good, but most of the passes he got were not accurate enough and were just out of his reach. If we couldn't give him service he wasn't going to score goals. And being a goalscorer seemed to be the main part of his game, he didn't seem to offer much else.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 10:13:20 GMT
"I do think its sad though that we cant bring Will on in his career and improve him. Our manager was a CB, so god help Tony Lee as an example".
Lee Peacock can bring Tony Lee on coaching wise, but even with that going on, Toddy wouldn't ever pick him. So TL becomes another one who just makes up the numbers for 11 v 11 in training (where Peaks can't coach him because i dont think he takes part in first team training?).
We are splashing big money this year, very few of last teams players will be in the first 11 next season. 4 or 5 at the most i reckon.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 10:23:30 GMT
Jai Reason - To get the best out of Jai you have to play him centrally behind a front 1 or front 2. If you play him behind a front 1, then the front 1 has to be mobile and able to make short clever runs behind the defence and into the box, where Jai will pick him out with a great pass. Beano isnt that kind of front 1 and that's why he hasn't really played in that role much. If you play Jai behind a front 2, then it changes the whole shape of the team and make us weaker when employing the narrow midfield and that is why both Hilly and Toddy have not used Jai in that position often. Jai is not a wide right or wide left player, but has more often been employed in the wider roles, but then told to play the role narrowly to strengthen our midfield. It works sometimes, but it doesn't allow Jai to be expressive and give us his best performances. As a flair player, he is being constrained, but at least it keeps him in the team. However, next season, if he is not employed centrally behind the front 1 or 2, then he could find it difficult to hold down a starting position, because there are better players out there, who can play the wide/narrow midfield better than he does, as its not natural to him. WHAT A WASTE OF THE LADS TALENT!
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Post by hantslondoner on May 13, 2016 11:31:49 GMT
Agreed, Payne and Reason played CM for 6-7 games out of the 10-game unbeaten run. If I also recall this was also the time when many posters were up in arms at the style of football played in those games, especially in the home draws v Welling and Guiseley, which you could also argue cost us a playoff place. At the time I remarked on how ineffective our CM were in breaking down the massed defences.
My impression was when Drury and Strevs were back for the Barrow game, that was probably our best home performance of the season.
Yes, maybe it's simply that Jai wasn't played in his best position.
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Post by blackie on May 13, 2016 12:56:56 GMT
Some great points on here about the Evans departure, which seems bizarre to tag him with inconsistent when there were plenty other in the same bracket. Jai too needs to be played in the correct position otherwise were wasting either his talent or another wage. Still cannot get my head around the current striking options - Beano and Lafayette obviously are under contract for next season but Beano has not been employed in a role that fully exploits his in the box instincts and RL was farmed out and will more than likely find it hard to even get on the bench next season. On top of that we keep Yemi who despite being a 100% trier is not a goalscorer or a midfielder - so where is he going to be utilised next season, apart from warming the bench? CT will have to get at least 5 or 6 better players than we have had this season and get off to a flyer otherwise I don't see his tenure lasting until the January window.
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Post by tenacres on May 13, 2016 19:28:44 GMT
I don't thing CT has "gone to the echo". They've just done some 'net journalism ie a quick scan on here and that's led them to ask Toddy the question about one of the more controversial decisions re player being released.
Its a difficult question for a manager to answer re releasing a player as basically the answer is "we didn't think he was good enough for the wages he was on". That can be dressed up however but that is the simple situation.
I think its pretty clear we needed quite a few changes for next season (with hindsight maybe should have been done last summer?) so we are now in that process.
We have quite a few weeks to sign players, us fans might need some patience on that score!
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Post by boyatthood on May 13, 2016 19:40:32 GMT
I don't thing CT has "gone to the echo". They've just done some 'net journalism ie a quick scan on here and that's led them to ask Toddy the question about one of the more controversial decisions re player being released. Its a difficult question for a manager to answer re releasing a player as basically the answer is "we didn't think he was good enough for the wages he was on". That can be dressed up however but that is the simple situation. I think its pretty clear we needed quite a few changes for next season (with hindsight maybe should have been done last summer?) so we are now in that process. We have quite a few weeks to sign players, us fans might need some patience on that score! Spot on. Especially the bit about last summer. I strongly criticised Evans then for his performance in the play offs at Grimsby and was slated on this forum for doing so. Maybe my judgement of him was not that wide of the mark after all. This club is being run brilliantly so I certainly will be patient with the Chairman and the manager to move the club forward.
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Post by unknownquantity on May 14, 2016 0:41:01 GMT
I think that in 2014/15 our defensive record was not particularly good for a team reaching the playoffs and I think that some were surprised that at the start of this season defensive signings were given more priority.
This season our best period from a defensive point of view occurred in the latter part of the season when we had a run of 10 games in which we only c conceded 3 goals, none of them in the first half, and if we keep clean sheets I think we have enough firepower to win more games than we draw. With this in mind it is perhaps surprising to see that three of the players who were part of that defence without playing every game are unlikely to be at the club next season. I do think though that some parts of Will's game are better than others, and that if we are to improve on last season we will need players whose all round game is very good.
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