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Post by hantslondoner on Mar 14, 2016 14:48:43 GMT
On the other hand they can all take points off each other.
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Post by erc on Mar 14, 2016 16:49:41 GMT
So,what your saying is qualifying for the play offs is pointless because we won't win then? I am glad the team don't have the same beleif that you are showing. Ridiculous statement to make. No no, I genuinely would want them to win the play offs , I want us to win every game 10-0 and win the league, but you have to have a bit of a reality check , 3/4 through the season we are slightly off the pace, therefore if we did go up it would be an almighty struggle to achieve anything in League 2, sometimes it's worthwhile to take a step back and build properly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 17:13:39 GMT
I hope he doesn't mind me saying it, but I don't think that's SD's style. He will just want to get us up and will then get even more enthusiastic next season and will cut out a L2 budget accordingly. So if we did manage to get up this season, we wouldn't necessarily keep much of the squad for next season. So I'm not sure we would struggle next year on the pitch. It's off the pitch where we might not be ready for L2 just yet.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 17:42:42 GMT
I'm not sure how the opposition we have to play is any easier. We have taken 18pts from those 10 teams in the reverse fixtures, albeit we have one extra home game in the 10. That's 1.8 pts per game, where as were have averaged 1.88 pts per game in all other games, so we have averaged less for these 10 teams, or seem to take a same avg points per game regardless of who we play.
It is not as easy run as it looks.
Will be a very tough game tomorrow against the most in form team in the division as Bromley have taken 16pts out of their last 18 and with 4 clear sheets.
With regards to not wanting to get to play offs and this squad. We would be fine in league 2 with this squad and would hold our own against many. Also, lets stop bloody worrying about Grimsby, they are just another team.
I honestly believe that we have a near solid starting 11 in the making.
Flitney (just kicking issue, otherwise very good keeper) Harding Turley Partington Coulson Reason Drury Tubbs
We are just 3 players short of a very good team. Could even add Yemi to the above with just a left mid and another centre back the top priorities. You wont find two better full backs in league 2 than Harding and Partington. Jai and Drury are just as good as any centre mid players. Doubt you will find much better energy than Coulson, and Tubbs, albeit on loan, is a top top goalscorer.
Payne is a very good player also and can be included.
We are not far off.
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Post by michaelefc on Mar 14, 2016 18:13:57 GMT
I doubt we will make the play offs, would be very surprised if we won the play offs; but one thing is certain - if we are in League 2 next season, very few of the current squad will still be with us.
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Post by back4more on Mar 14, 2016 18:34:29 GMT
I'm just going to take my temperature as I find myself on this thread seeing a lot the same as Sattsy and also that last post from SS. I must be sickening for something.
I think our performances over the last 5 games have shown incremental improvements with each game and we have a decent chance now of making the play offs though it's far from being a cert.
If we do get to achieve that we've every right to hope for promotion. Cheltenham, though we just beat them, are probably the most serious contenders realistically I think.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 18:39:24 GMT
You wouldn't add another strike to the requirements list? Surely a target man is needed, Tubbs isnt suited to play in a 4-5-1 with just him upfront. TBH, I can't see him signing for next season, he will get better options than us & if he doesnt find the net regularly in his remaining games here, he wont really be enjoying his football. No Greener? You're not far off to be fair, SS.
I would also keep Payne, keep Evans as a squady, as he is adaptable and is still young and learning & i would keep Greener as he offers a wide attacking option that we do not have and miss when he doesn't start games & i may also keep Strevs for experience.
Out: Constable (a decent enough striker, but doesnt suit our style & will not get enough goals to get us promoted) Midson (another likable lad, but old father time has caught up with him, rarely plays a full 90 mins) Poke (he has done nothing wrong, but is too good to sit on a bench, so just get Noice back in the frame) Reid (i appreciate he gives his all, but it's not good enough for the level week in week out, misses too many games through injury) Cook (i like him off the bench, but is probably expensive) Kaid (did ok for me, but doesn't seem to fit in with Todds plans, not sure what Toddy expected from him?) Lafayette (poor work rate and didnt win a header or stick a foot in, which is a minimum fan requirement of any player) Yemi (with a heavy heart. i love the lad, but hes not really gonna get you many goals, so you cant pick him every game upfront anymore)
So releasing these 8, will really give us a chance to bring in 8 new heads, that are better than those going out, and i believe that will make us a much more competitive squad.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 18:46:10 GMT
You wouldn't add another strike to the requirements list? Yep, I would. Only listed Tubbs in list but forgot to say striker needed. CB, LM, possibly 2 strikers for the starting 11 if Tubbs didnt sign, although like said, happy with Yemi as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 18:46:47 GMT
I'm just going to take my temperature as I find myself on this thread seeing a lot the same as Sattsy and also that last post from SS. I must be sickening for something. I think our performances over the last 5 games have shown incremental improvements with each game and we have a decent chance now of making the play offs though it's far from being a cert. If we do get to achieve that we've every right to hope for promotion. Cheltenham, though we just beat them, are probably the most serious contenders realistically I think. So lets just keep all the same players next season and finish 8th -12th, John? A 95th minute winner against Woking and a 1-0 victory by way of a penalty against Chester, are results that are just papering over the cracks John, surely you can see that? We are not about to go on an 8 game unbeaten run. Not much has changed, not really. Only an injury to Beano forced Toddy to change his strike partnership. He won't drop Beano once he is fit again and we'll see Beano & Tubbs upfront together in at least 6 or 7 of our remaining games. That to me, would identify a managerial weakness and i doubt we would win 4 games with that partnership.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 19:00:02 GMT
You wouldn't add another strike to the requirements list? Surely a target man is needed, Tubbs isnt suited to play in a 4-5-1 with just him upfront. TBH, I can't see him signing for next season, he will get better options than us & if he doesnt find the net regularly in his remaining games here, he wont really be enjoying his football. No Greener? You're not far off to be fair, SS. I would also keep Payne, keep Evans as a squady, as he is adaptable and is still young and learning & i would keep Greener as he offers a wide attacking option that we do not have and miss when he doesn't start games & i may also keep Strevs for experience. Out: Constable (a decent enough striker, but doesnt suit our style & will not get enough goals to get us promoted) Midson (another likable lad, but old father time has caught up with him, rarely plays a full 90 mins) Poke (he has done nothing wrong, but is too good to sit on a bench, so just get Noice back in the frame) Reid (i appreciate he gives his all, but it's not good enough for the level week in week out, misses too many games through injury) Cook (i like him off the bench, but is probably expensive) Kaid (did ok for me, but doesn't seem to fit in with Todds plans, not sure what Toddy expected from him?) Lafayette (poor work rate and didnt win a header or stick a foot in, which is a minimum fan requirement of any player) Yemi (with a heavy heart. i love the lad, but hes not really gonna get you many goals, so you cant pick him every game upfront anymore) So releasing these 8, will really give us a chance to bring in 8 new heads, that are better than those going out, and i believe that will make us a much more competitive squad. Pretty much agree with you. Id keep Yemi for impact player. Id keep Lee also and start giving him time off the bench for the season to see how he progresses. Strevens, honestly, stand out player in Conny South and last year, not getting younger, but is neither a specialist as a defensive midfielder, or an attacking midfielder. Id rather spend the wages elsewhere on a specific role, although I do think he has what it takes to be in management, so be silly to perhaps lose the experience he can offer. Greener, this will cause controversy, would not start for me, so would he want to be a squad player ? Sometimes best to let the player go and play elsewhere and perhaps look for a lad like Coulson on the left who will be able to fill multiple roles more. We have a lot of experience so time to start filling a couple of position with energy and youth. There, squad sorted, just the 10 retained and Tubbs. Luckily though for everyone else, I have no say, so it does not matter
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Post by back4more on Mar 14, 2016 19:07:15 GMT
I'm just going to take my temperature as I find myself on this thread seeing a lot the same as Sattsy and also that last post from SS. I must be sickening for something. I think our performances over the last 5 games have shown incremental improvements with each game and we have a decent chance now of making the play offs though it's far from being a cert. If we do get to achieve that we've every right to hope for promotion. Cheltenham, though we just beat them, are probably the most serious contenders realistically I think. So lets just keep all the same players next season and finish 8th -12th, John? A 95th minute winner against Woking and a 1-0 victory by way of a penalty against Chester, are results that are just papering over the cracks John, surely you can see that? We are not about to go on an 8 game unbeaten run. Not much has changed, not really. Only an injury to Beano forced Toddy to change his strike partnership. He won't drop Beano once he is fit again and we'll see Beano & Tubbs upfront together in at least 6 or 7 of our remaining games. That to me, would identify a managerial weakness and i doubt we would win 4 games with that partnership. I don't think you've read my post Paul. Nowhere have I said anything about keeping all the same players next season. Where on earth do you get that from? Re the recent games these have been excellent performances as anyone who saw those matches would agree.
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Post by efcspitfire on Mar 14, 2016 19:14:57 GMT
I love it how we are just two points off a play off place and people are already speculating who we should keep or get rid of. How about wait and see where we finish in the table or the play offs?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 19:24:37 GMT
I love it how we are just two points off a play off place and people are already speculating who we should keep or get rid of. How about wait and see where we finish in the table or the play offs? How would that change an opinion on who you like as a player ? That would be just brushing things under the carpet to suit the situation. MY opinion has no bearing on where we finish, or which league we are in next year. The players are either good enough for you in both this and the league above, or they are not. We keep buying all these League 2 players already, dont we ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 19:27:18 GMT
efcspitfire - Sadly, you cannot wait to the end of the season, these decisions need to be in the heads of the manager & owner now. Players who are out of contract at the end of the season are now asking about contracts, the longer you keep them hanging on without a new contract offer, the more likely they will start to realise that they are not going to be offered a contract. The result of that is, that they will inform their agent to start looking around for a deal elsewhere. Its difficult because you don't want to tell them they are not wanted at this point, as they would just switch off. But as a manager, you need to be working out now, who you want to keep and who you are prepared to let go and once you know that, then you can start identifying players you may want to bring in & can be putting feelers out for new players next season. You really cannot leave it all until May 30th when players contracts are up.
John - My comment to you, regarding keeping the same players, was based on the fact that you pointed out that SS & I, were already identifying who we would let go and who we would keep. Your comment of needing to take your own temperature, led me to believe you didnt agree with our lists and comments, and wouldn't want to release any of those listed... Apologies if i misinterpreted.
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Post by back4more on Mar 14, 2016 19:43:25 GMT
No Paul. I was suggesting with irony that I might be unwell because I found myself agreeing with quite a bit of what was being said by SS and yourself.
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