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Post by back4more on Feb 15, 2016 18:09:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 7:32:16 GMT
Sounds as if there is something in this story and Companies have known about it for a very long time. Thanks to the power of the internet connections are being made to create a definite link, 150 cases in America alone gives it substance. America doesn't care about people or their lives, they care only about making money. They probably worked it out that if a couple of hundred get cancer and 10% die, those 20 deaths are worth it for the billions it will bring in. The government then endorse the product because of the tax revenue they will rake in. Government know people have to die at some point and it doesn't really matter so long as they get the money. Cynical...you bet your life it is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 12:50:03 GMT
We eat, drink, smoke, handle, work with cancerous products every day of our lives. Dont know why anyone would think that this finding would make any difference to the way we live our lives? Should EFC shut their academy down because they train on these kind of pitches? Of course not, its the latest product that can cause cancer (millions of products do) No one really takes any notice or changes their habits.
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Post by maysie on Feb 16, 2016 20:47:07 GMT
Me with my U15s have used these pitches for matches instead of grass due to the appaling weather the last couple of months and it's either that or no game.
Most youth teams also train on these facilities specifically throughout the winter - will this stop because of this finding, not a chance.
It's great things like this being brought to our attention however not enough is done in this country as it is to get more involved in football. Information like this is just going to deter families and young children from playing football on these types of facility
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 6:53:20 GMT
And so it should deter parents from putting their kids out on those pitches, one child getting cancer through these pitches is one child too many, look at that 12 year old lad in the photo, loss his hair and puffed up with medication, what parent wants to see their child going through that. We encourage sport because it is healthy and keeps us fit, but this defies all logic to that motion, you risk getting cancer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 9:28:28 GMT
Keith, nothing has yet been proved, and nothing will be proved. I suspect that kid would have got cancer regardless of playing football on one of these pitches. 30 children in the UK are diagnosed with cancer every week. Cigarettes HAVE been proved to cause lung cancer, yet parents will still smoke around their own kids, so they certainly will not be stopping them from playing football on this surface. You'll no doubt get a few panic mums who will keep their kids away for 2 weeks...but then they'll take then to McDonalds instead, where the will no doubt ply their little Johnny's with cheap cancerous burger products...
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Post by maysie on Feb 17, 2016 13:52:00 GMT
Keith - so what do you suggest is done then?
Bottom line grassroots football pitches are overall managed and run by local council where they would have a part time groundsman covering a number of their pitches. They are not full time in one spot daily. The alternative would be potentially no sport at all and even more obesity in this country.
These pitches are used by pro football clubs not just children out on the street.... Nothing in this case has been proving it is all hearsay with no concrete facts etc
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Post by back4more on Feb 21, 2016 0:58:04 GMT
I can't help wondering whether any scientific testing has ever actually been done to check for health hazards to people using 3G pitches.
Asbestos was thought to be a a good idea once.
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Post by maysie on Feb 21, 2016 15:09:51 GMT
The recent tests broadcast on sky sports show they are not harmful.
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Post by back4more on Feb 22, 2016 22:33:02 GMT
Thing is though the Doctor making the claims on Sky Sports is employed by Labosport, an international company whose main business is the development of artificial sports surfaces. Not exactly independent then. Also his claims seem to be based on testing the toxic crumb material for a completely different type of use.
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Post by unknownquantity on Feb 24, 2016 20:52:50 GMT
There appear to be different opinions about how toxic the chemicals associated with artificial pitches are. However what is clear is that football is a high impact sport and that some players suffer injuries because of this. Whether 3G pitches increase or decrease the likelihood of both long term or short term injuries is probably a fairly pertinent question, especially as clubs using them would want to use them frequently to get full value for the money spent.
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Post by maysie on Feb 25, 2016 8:03:45 GMT
Due to the shocking state of council pitches I have had to move a number of my u15s games to the artificial pitches over the course of this season as most are doing as they have a fixture pile up to catch up on.
Our choice is either that or playing midweek games in April, which for lads at school is not really a viable option.
Unless the FA start providing grassroots with the funds and resources countrywide to support the upkeep of council run pitches it is a fact that artificial pitches will be used more and more.
Yes players pick up knocks but no different to the knocks they pick up on grass, also encourages youth players to stay on their feet instead of going to ground and enables quick passing and moving. The only criticism I would say having used them a number of times is these sorts of pitches suit team the choose to play long ball
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Post by bushfire on Feb 28, 2016 20:33:42 GMT
This Saturdays Mail, page 11 contains an artical which states that the World Health Organisation are clearly saying that the rubber granuals used on artificial pitches probably cause cancer. Goalkeepers in particular are at risk, because of the amount of times they end up on the ground. The FA if they were a responsible body, which they are not, should halt all new artificial pitch Installations until it is proved one way or the other if there is a problem. Don't hold your breath.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 16:09:45 GMT
I have seen a few reports here that say its the breathing in of these granolas that causes the health issues. That is why goalkeepers (and chelsea players) are more risk as they spend a lot more of the game laying/diving onto the surface. So the problem isn't the pitch itself but the rubber granuals they put down on the pitches? Surely the solution is simple & come up with an alternative to the rubber they currently use?
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Post by back4more on Mar 1, 2016 18:14:23 GMT
Presumably, for the pitches to perform to the advertised standards, the crumb has to have just the right physical properties and it would need costly development to replicate that with a non toxic formula. In the meantime it will be interesting to see how long it takes for the first big compensation claims to land with the clubs and organisations who require their players to use these pitches now that the evidence is building up against them being safe.
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