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Post by back4more on Aug 30, 2019 13:25:38 GMT
And btw Lloyds themselves had not benefitted "unfairly". They had ridden the banking crisis very well compared with many other banks and had very limited exposure to "toxic" debt. They were however pressured by Gordon Brown into rescuing the failing Halifax Bank of SCOTLAND organisation. Brown was having to take public ownership of the likewise failing Royal Bank of - er - SCOTLAND and needed help with the other part Scottish monolith. The effect was a bit like what happened to the great truck manufacturer Leyland Motors - the biggest and best truck builder in Europe at the time - when Harold Wilson pressured them to take over the basket case that was the British Motor Corporation to form a new company called British Leyland. As with Leyland, Lloyds TSB was severely damaged by government interference. As mentioned above, the events that followed allowed the EU the opportunity to apply its penalties as it always does where the UK is concerned.
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Post by hantslondoner on Aug 30, 2019 14:35:50 GMT
I agree that Mansfield should feel very aggrieved but it all goes back to the due diligence that should be in place for owners. And if there were such a thing as a an emergency fund, the careful and appropriate application of it. In this case it may not have been deemed suitable to apply anyway.
As I said, Lloyds was not a good example to choose to try and make my point!
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Aug 30, 2019 19:03:20 GMT
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Post by nobadspitfire on Aug 30, 2019 19:03:20 GMT
We have more than enough lies hitting us daily from the current unelected government, without having political statements about the EU on here. The popular gutter press and Telegraph blame the EU for anything negative that happens to British business. This is not a platform for prejudice. Stick to football, not politics.
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Post by hantslondoner on Aug 30, 2019 21:08:03 GMT
I think you'll find we were discussing one single situation here, in a comparison that I was trying to make to support a point about what the FA could have done to help Bury FC. back4more put the situation I raised in its context, if you look on Wikipedia then I think you'll find the facts he stated were correct. I disagree with your insinuation that there was any prejudice on here.
If you took exception to my statement : 'Maybe not a good advert for the EU on this occasion (but that's another story)' then the 'on this occasion' was the crucial phrase. I was not trying to generalise about the state of British politics.
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Post by back4more on Aug 30, 2019 23:31:47 GMT
Yes Martin, as Paul says, all comments were made in the context of the Bury FC situation and arose from analogies which were being used to illustrate the points being made. As regards making comments about politics, I totally agree with your belief that this forum should be apolitical. That being the case though, I'd be interested to know your justification for your claim that there are lies hitting us daily from the government.
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Post by unknownquantity on Aug 31, 2019 6:33:51 GMT
It is a great shame that a club which produced the likes of Colin Bell, Alec Lindsay, Stan Bowles and Neville Southall on their way to international stardom should go to the wall. They of course won their two F A Cup finals 6-0 and 4-0 and the former was a cup final record until Manchester City equalled it this year. Many people can recall them playing in what is now the championship, but if you overspend in search of success it often catches up with you.
I do find it a bit ironic that a person whose only post on this thread is a political one advises us to stick to football rather than politics. I actually think it is sensible to avoid politics where possible and that maybe any political topics should be transferred to the Off Topic section, but on a subject like this it is difficult not to talk about the policies involved.
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Aug 31, 2019 7:29:33 GMT
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Post by nobadspitfire on Aug 31, 2019 7:29:33 GMT
Yes Martin, as Paul says, all comments were made in the context of the Bury FC situation and arose from analogies which were being used to illustrate the points being made. As regards making comments about politics, I totally agree with your belief that this forum should be apolitical. That being the case though, I'd be interested to know your justification for your claim that there are lies hitting us daily from the government. I'm not going to bite on that one. Some people choose to believe what this govt say, others know the truth. I will make no more comments on this thread.
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Post by back4more on Aug 31, 2019 9:26:56 GMT
Accusations (including claims that the government is lying) are only credible with examples to back them up though, surely. That's all I'm saying too.
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Post by blueandwhite on Aug 31, 2019 20:13:49 GMT
I have always been interested in politics, but agree this should be in off topic
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