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Post by bomber on Jun 6, 2016 6:01:46 GMT
The lies and mistruths about immigration are sickening. Camerons absolutely laughable words regarding bringing down immigration come to mind here. He is powerless to stop it as being in the EU forbids it.
I'm STILL waiting for an answer from the remain camp regarding how we managed to operate our economy BEFORE blairs policy of open door immigration..
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Post by westendspitfire on Jun 6, 2016 16:27:36 GMT
There has always been immigration Bomber since the war when transport around the world became easier people have moved. It happened in the 50s and 60s long before Blair and there were issues around it then as well, but surprisingly it didn't cause civil war back then and it won't now. If as a nation we were to concentrate on the real issues rather than the divisive ones out politicians and newspapers can use for there own gain the world would be a better place.
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Post by bomber on Jun 7, 2016 13:51:53 GMT
There has always been immigration Bomber since the war when transport around the world became easier people have moved. It happened in the 50s and 60s long before Blair and there were issues around it then as well, but surprisingly it didn't cause civil war back then and it won't now. If as a nation we were to concentrate on the real issues rather than the divisive ones out politicians and newspapers can use for there own gain the world would be a better place. Yes we have. After the war immigration was a must in Great Britain. We had jobs needed filling, there simply weren't enough people about to do lower end, so to speak, stuff. So we ''asked'' people to come over. Mainly from the west indies. It caused race riots. In the 60's, rightly or wrongly, we felt duty bound to offer refuge to all of Uganda's indian population because if Amin's reforms. Also Bangladeshi's came here in large numbers in the 70's. It caused race riots. We asked Pakistani's to come and work in our cotton mills. It caused race riots. A significant jewish population has been here for hundreds of years, but expanded quickly during the onset of WWII. It caused race riots.
There have been several high profile examples of racial tension & violence in the last 40 years. I'd say it was a real issue. Maybe not to you, but to half the population of Britain, open door immigration is the No1 concern.
If everyone kept their noses out of other countries business & concentrated on looking after their own, the world would be a better place.
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Post by back4more on Jun 7, 2016 14:39:43 GMT
One of the main reasons Cameron and Osborne are desperate to stay in the EU is that their friends in the big construction companies will make massive profits. These will come from the contracts they'll get for the housing developments we'll be required to build on what is left of our countryside and farmland in order to accommodate the tens of millions who will come here. That includes existing EU passport holders from eastern Europe plus any migrants given an EU passport by any of the other EU countries.
We do not and will not get away with the French practice of letting people live in camps - it happens in Germany as well by the way though we hear less about it. We already put people up in comfortable fully serviced accommodation as soon as they turn up on the beach or in the back of a lorry and then house them and no doubt that will continue to happen.
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Post by bomber on Jun 7, 2016 15:05:15 GMT
Personally I'm loathe to listen to any financial advice from people in multinational corporations & banking that were doing the same job as they were during Blair's tenure.
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Post by bomber on Jun 8, 2016 6:08:32 GMT
The Times live poll, immediately after the debate.
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Post by millentor on Jun 10, 2016 19:23:54 GMT
Yea..I wasn't going to vote because I don't like how the eu is undemocratic...but as a low paid worker I fear what the torys will do if they don't have Europe to hold them back. So I've just registered to vote remain. I think I also owe it to a few of my friends who are spannish and polish, without the eu they wouldn't be here. They wouldn't get in on a points based system due to being fairly unskilled. I also like the idea of moving to Spain when I'm older...but I'll never be able to afford it. Most people I know are remain voters or they don't care, all the leave voters I know are over 40...maybe it's a generational split?
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Post by swb on Jun 23, 2016 9:41:33 GMT
I am well over 40 and will vote REMAIN. Too many If's, but's and maybe's in the leave campaign to take the gamble with my Grandchildren's future
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 11:28:13 GMT
One thing is for sure.....
The country, communities, families and friends have been divided, and some relationships will never be the same again.
That says it all as to how both sides have conducted their campaigns.
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Post by back4more on Jun 23, 2016 16:53:02 GMT
Millentor, strange though it might seem, the lower paid have become far better off in the last few years and it's been nothing to do with the EU. The increase from the old minimum wage to the new living wage has been the biggest increase we've seen, ever. The personal tax allowance increases over the last few years have benefitted lower paid people by many hundreds of pounds. My wife falls into that category and is far better off plus she now can earn interest on her savings without that being taxed. You can now earn £11000 per year and have up to £1000 savings interest without paying a penny in tax. The tax on that six years ago would have been £1200 over a year. Also for those not lucky enough to be working for whatever reason, benefits in this country are higher than the rest of the EU.
On the other hand, as immigration continues to increase without any control (which we don't have while we remain in the EU), this will tend to suppress wages in the longer term because there will be more competition for jobs. Benefits won't be able to keep pace either because the country won't be able to support the inevitable increase in unemployment we'll get with a bigger population.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 8:29:16 GMT
Bros song springs to mind.
80s kids will get that reference.
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Post by bomber on Jun 24, 2016 14:57:24 GMT
Nicola Sturgeon has just stated on the record that she's been in touch with Sadiq Khan and are looking into both Scotland and London staying in the EU. The silly twonks are having a meltdown. It's brilliant!
The pound is bouncing back, LSE is back up 260 points. German chancellor has just stated that it's imperitive that the EU maintains open trade agreement with Britain cause he wants to carry on selling motors to us without a levy.
It's a great day to be British. I actually feel like i've contributed to something monumental. You don't get many weeks like that!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 20:54:23 GMT
Not sure if this is a chart of the Pounds performance since the vote or Havent & Neverwillville league positions over the past few seasons?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 10:56:17 GMT
One things for sure. I never knew so many in the UK had prams.
I'd consider myself in the same (use this term loosely without stereotyping) wage grouping as those going bananas in London, get over it, unite, accept it and move on. We have a democratic political system and you cant complain when it does not go your way.
What I am finding even more ridiculous is certain news outlets portrayal of this being anything other than a racist vote for exit. Granted, there will be that in the very minority, but a lot of those who voted exit are no more racist than those on the remain who may have only voted to protect their own financial interests and couldnt care less about people struggling to live financially in this country, those that feel it cant get any worse for them, the same ones who may just have an abhorrence of bureaucracy and red tape, nothing to do with race.
All this calling for a 2nd referendum because it didnt go the way expected is ridiculous.
I abstained by the way. Technically, I probably should have gone remain due to my own current circumstances, but I dont see this as the gloom cloud portrayed in the long term, and I dont see myself being affected greatly either way. My kids are old enough to make up their own mind, therefore, for me, i felt it more suitable for those who feel they are greatly more affected in many ways to decide their own future, not me decide for them based on my own feeling of not being affected massively. Ill cope either way and accept the democratic majority decision.
On a side note. Also very bored of the young blaming the old already. Many young voted exit, many didn't bother at all, many young also voted for their own interest. My mother, who lives in an oap complex, made a comment that a lot in her accommodation gave the reason of their vote for exit as 'they voted for a better future for their grandchildren'. The old and young just have different views of what better is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 17:29:52 GMT
One thing is for sure..... The country, communities, families and friends have been divided, and some relationships will never be the same again. That says it all as to how both sides have conducted their campaigns. Well, I think i may have understated here.
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