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Post by taylov on May 14, 2016 16:57:43 GMT
Ebbsfleet's bubble finally burst in a penalty shootout 'Fleet were 2-1 up but conceded a goal in time added.
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Post by nobadspitfire on May 14, 2016 17:17:24 GMT
And Danny Kedwell scored 2 penalties in the game but missed the crucial one in the pen shoot-out.
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Post by loudnproud on May 14, 2016 17:32:41 GMT
Mcmoney strikes again. Couldn't happen to a bigger kn0b. Richard Hill their next manager ?
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Post by tenacres on May 14, 2016 18:27:07 GMT
They lost at home in the playoff final last year. Having led the league for so long this season and being so close today - I can't help feeling a bit sorry for them!
Money alone will very rarely win a league. A decent manager is essential which we had in Richard Hill. (Don't know our relative budget (13-14) to Ebbsfleets (15-16) but I'd guess theirs was higher than ours). Read recently that Hill applied for the Chelmsford job though I think he has not been shortlisted.
Any aspiring National South side could do a lot, lot worse.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 5:55:26 GMT
So two teams with 3G pitches in The National League next season, Sutton and Maidstone. Unless rules are changed they cannot get promotion into The FL so surely they have a decision to make before August. Play on 3G and accept promotion is not available, or change back to grass. It would be completely wrong in my opinion to win promotion and then change to grass when it happens if the rule on 3G remains as it does. Both these teams got more points away from home last season, that won't happen next season I would imagine, but it needs to be clear before a ball is kicked where they stand as regards promotion. Am I right a club has to confirm it will accept promotion by the end of November to the league they are members of? Every club needs to know what the situation is before we start in August, what if these two teams were in the top 5? Does that mean the teams in 6th and 7th are holding PO's positions? I don't think many clubs would be happy for them to play on 3G pitches and change over next summer to grass, that can't be right surely?
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Post by michaelefc on May 15, 2016 6:51:38 GMT
3G pitches will be allowed into the football league very soon indeed.
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Post by tenacres on May 15, 2016 21:21:07 GMT
You raise any interesting point SOE, although one that I doubt will be clarified before August.
I remember the 13/14 season when Maidstone were chasing promotion from the Ryman league and the FA/conference/Ryman league pissed about for ages not making a clear decision before eventually getting "lucky" as Maidstone finished 7th and there was no decision to be made - so imagine it could be the same this time.
I reckon if Maidstone or Sutton reach the playoffs they will be allowed to compete and go up and the 3G issue will be fudged/merged in with the grace period they have for getting their ground up to date.
Anyway all an unlikely hypothetical situation that the powers that be will be hoping they don't have to deal with.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 6:14:46 GMT
Sutton will do well next season, I see them being top 10 at least with a chance of being play off contenders.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 6:56:57 GMT
Maidstone coming up will make it 13 former League clubs now in The National League. Enough proof I think that two teams should automatically earn promotion with 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th in the PO spots. High time the powers that be realised they are being denied by selfish clubs not accepting reform is needed and self voting their own interests. They've helped their relegated clubs with bigger parachute payments and yet still closed the shop to teams in The National, it reeks of the old friends network and I would argue that it is illegal and a restraint of trade if taken up through the courts. I do wonder why The NLP isn't a leading light on this issue and help the League in their fight for justice to get another promotion spot.
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Post by unknownquantity on May 17, 2016 19:28:57 GMT
As I have already stated I can see advantages and disadvantages of changing the existing system. I am not sure that overall the promoted teams have fared better than the teams they replaced, and I would think that on average a third promoted team would fare no better the following season than the other two promoted teams, and that a third relegated team would not fare worse the following season than the other two relegated teams.
By definition there will be at least two former league clubs in the National League and in the case of Maidstone they folded three years after being promoted to the league, and three of the other former football league clubs have not played league football for 38 years or more.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 6:03:17 GMT
So how many teams promoted since 2005 (was that the last restructure?) from Non League have gone on to reach League One? How many clubs have come back down to Non League since promotion from it? Only three relegated clubs have successfully returned to the FL at the first attempt and two of those have been in the last two seasons. The stats are there to prove how strong the National League is, how many clubs have returned to non league a year after promotion? I'll say it again, The FL clubs are blocking Step One from progressing, they can't argue the facts, they are just ignorant and only interested in protecting themselves from relegation at the expense of those non league clubs with ambitions to climb further.
As to your comment Malc that three other football league clubs have not played league football for 38 years or more, it doesn't alter the fact they are former league clubs and they are proud of their history while you appear to imply their former status as a FL club is irrelevant in this day and age. I call them sleeping giants who are fighting to find their glory days and return to the FL. The return of Accrington Stanley was a wonderful football story after 44 years, so Gateshead, Barrow and Southport have the dream, with Barrow likely to achieve it in the next few years I imagine.
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Post by hantslondoner on May 18, 2016 9:00:10 GMT
Neither Maidstone nor Gateshead are technically the same club that left the Football League - they went bust, and the current club is a new creation.
The same could be said about Halifax last season, and there may be others.
Newport and Wimbledon are examples of 'reformed' clubs that have made it all the way back into the FL.
In my opinion it would be good to have two automatic promotions and then a two-leg play off between third top and third bottom.
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Post by michaelefc on May 18, 2016 13:48:16 GMT
In my opinion it would be good to have two automatic promotions and then a two-leg play off between third top and third bottom
Good shout.
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Post by dave on May 18, 2016 16:10:53 GMT
I like the way they do it in Scotland, so from that example:
4th would play 5th over two legs, the winners of that would play the 3rd placed team and then the winners of that would play the 3rd bottom team of League 2, thus there is a reward for finishing higher in the league table, something that is missing in the current play off model
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 16:23:03 GMT
II heard them discussing the scottish model on TalkSport this morning. They all hate it up there! They were saying that the team who eventually wins out, will have had to play an additional 6 games at the end of the season?....Yellow cards also count, so they invariably end up playing without key players. Yellow cards do not accumulate in the English play off system, where the card slate is wiped clean.
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