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Post by tenacres on May 5, 2016 19:27:02 GMT
Looks like an Ebbsfleet - Maidstone final next season coming up to our league
AS for exiting our league
Dover 0 FGR 1 & Braintree currently leading 1-0 at Grimsby!
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Post by tenacres on May 8, 2016 18:56:12 GMT
So FGR or Grimsby leaving or league (good for us as we lose one very probably promotion challenger).
Still a cracking achievement from Braintree, possibly the smallest/least funded side ever to make the playoffs?
we will gain Ebbsfleet or Maidstone from the South & AFC Flyde or Ferriby United from the North.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 7:50:30 GMT
I'll go for Maidstone, North Ferriby, and Grimsby.
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Post by michaelefc on May 9, 2016 19:22:14 GMT
They can appoint Claudio Ranieri. It won't make any difference because Grimsby are going UP!
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Post by tenacres on May 9, 2016 21:11:19 GMT
Blimey Forest Green certainly do odd timing, not gonna wait a few days to appoint when they actually know which division they will be in?!
Grimsby 8/11 Forestg 11/10
No seen it priced but I reckon Grimsby in extra time.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 6:27:08 GMT
Bristol Rovers won the play off on penalties last season, yet have just won promotion to League One...that must hurt Grimsby. It does show how much harder it is to get out of our league than from League Two, quite a few now seem to jump quickly from here to League One.
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Post by unknownquantity on May 10, 2016 18:44:18 GMT
It is also interesting to note that in each of the last two seasons one of the clubs relegated to the National League has gone straight back up. one of which was Bristol Rovers. There are of course twice as many promotion spots in League 2 as opposed to the National League.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 19:03:24 GMT
Precisely my Dear Watson. Good as we are, it is all academic. It should be two automatic promotion spots, and a play off between the next four clubs, but there it is. Being realistic a play off position has to be our aim next season.
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Post by unknownquantity on May 10, 2016 20:13:07 GMT
Prior to the formation of the Conference, four teams were automatically promoted from what is now League 2, with usually no teams being promoted into it from non-league football.
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Post by upthespitfires on May 10, 2016 21:19:06 GMT
Why can't they get it back in line with the other leagues? I know four have to come up from conf north and conf south but it must make it the hardest league to get promoted from.
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Post by taylov on May 11, 2016 6:50:51 GMT
Why can't they get it back in line with the other leagues? I know four have to come up from conf north and conf south but it must make it the hardest league to get promoted from. Those of us somewhat longer in the tooth can remember just how bad the old system before automatic promotion/relegation to and from the league was introduced in 1987. Up until 1959 just one club, Workington was elected to the league in a decade, replacing New Brighton FC in 1951. Each of the 92 club chairmen had a vote and operated what was essentially a closed shop. 1960 saw this reach a level not far short of corruption when Gateshead finished 3rd from bottom of the then Div 4 (L2) and were still voted out and replaced by Peterborough. There followed a string of decisions at the FL AGM in the 60s and 70s which saw more traditional northern clubs get the boot to be replaced by clubs in the south - Bradford Park Avenue, Barrow and Workngton gone and replaced by Hereford, Cambridge and Wimbledon. Oxford United got the nod when Accrington Stanley failed to make the end of the 1961/2 season. It was almost 20 years before the League Chairmen voted for a new entrant from the North when in 1978 Southport were replaced by Wigan Athletic. The modern era where 2 clubs are promoted out of the non-league each season may be less than perfect but it is a tremendous advance on the old system.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 7:55:17 GMT
There is a clear anomaly and high time it is rectified, I even think clubs in The National League could challenge through the courts that this is still effectively a closed shop and thereby illegal and figures would back them up.....
Premier League 3 down Championship 3 up/3 down League One 3 up/4 down League Two 4 up/2 down National 2 up/4 down
Blocking a further two clubs from promotion each year could be conceived as a restraint of trade to improve their business so I imagine the courts would find in the National League favour. Obviously no one wants a case in the courts but if presented to The FA they would probably concede it is wrong and needs to be sorted out as they would not win the argument under the law surely, 13 former League teams played in The National last season which would also give weight to end this anomaly.
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Post by unknownquantity on May 11, 2016 17:35:08 GMT
I think that in nearly every non-league division there are not more than two teams promoted, and in the majority of these more teams are relegated than promoted. I think that generally teams in the National League are referred to as non-league clubs rather than Football League Division 5.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2016 6:38:17 GMT
We're talking about the top five divisions Malc and it is quite clear there is a blockage in operation from The FL and The National League. Overall you are right, two or even just one club get promoted, and excluding The National League, there are 79 non leagues in England, and 9 more in Scotland/Wales. Promoted teams from The National are not bouncing straight back, in fact quite a few move on into League One before a bounce occurs. This fact alone should make The Football League realise just how strong The National League is, and are blocking their progress by allowing only two to go down each season. I don't think anyone can dispute the evidence can they? Why can't they announce that from next season three will be relegated from League Two and Three promoted from The National....because the voting holders will close ranks and protect their own interests first and foremost, not the greater good of fairness for football clubs in The National League. Let's remember also The National League is fair to those wanting to reach their top division by allowing 4 sides to be relegated and 4 new teams to be promoted, and 6 clubs enter The National North and South each season...the anomaly is there for all to see in League Two at the bottom.
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Post by unknownquantity on May 12, 2016 21:42:53 GMT
I think there are different ways of looking at the situation. Interestingly enough the majority of League 2 clubs have played non-league football at some time or other, and a few teams automatically promoted from the Conference who will next season be playing below Conference National. We of course reached the F A Cup 3rd round proper this season, but unusually no other non-league club achieved this.
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