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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 15:07:58 GMT
So taking your data and adding the goals, which is the important part..
CHELT Constable-Tubbs (Yemi, Midson subs) Won 1-0 Scorer: Own Goal WOK Constable-Yemi (Midson sub) Won 2-1 Scorer: Reason, Evans CHEST Tubbs-Yemi (Midson sub) Won 1-0 Scorer: Tubbs (pen) BROM Tubbs-Yemi (Constable, Midson subs) Won 2-0 Scorer: Own Goal, Reason
WELL Tubbs-Midson Yemi midfield (Constable sub) Drew 0-0 GUISE Constable-Yemi (Tubbs sub) Drew 1-1 Scorer: Own goal
So in those last 6 home games, the only striker to have scored is Tubbs with a penalty. Jai Reason is outscoring the strikers, why not play him up there with someone.. We scored 7 goals in those 6 games, but 3 of those were own goals! The very good news is that we only let in 2 goals in that period, but own goals aside, we are misfiring upfront, no matter what pairing we stick up there. We took 14/18 points, which is decent enough, but take those own goals away and we would have only got 11/18, which isn't so good. Toddy has really tightened up the defence, so if he can get the strikers firing, we could move into contention...
Anyway when it comes down to it, we are not scoring enough goals to turn these draws into wins, and we can't seem to find the right partnership, which when you consider how many strikers we have at the club, is pretty frightening really.
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Post by hantslondoner on Apr 4, 2016 15:25:16 GMT
Yemi's pressure was contributory for one of the own goals. You could argue that Tubbs and Yemi made the space for Reason to score both his goals. They were the forwards when he scored them. Tubbs was fouled for his penalty.
I agree that we aren't scoring enough and can't seem to find the right partnership. But since our wins have come from getting the ball up there and pressurising the opposition, and since the Tubbs-Yemi partnership seems to be the best for that tactic, then I suggest we go with that for the moment. Our pitch doesn't seem to allow much alternative! While we are pressurising, the opposition aren't in our area, which is why we haven't conceded many. Also, the defence is (usually) looking pretty solid.
We gave Welling and Guiseley too much of a chance to play. No coincidence they then both looked half-decent sides. Welling have now gone on to beat Tranmere and Woking.
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Post by michaelefc on Apr 4, 2016 17:45:47 GMT
We gave Welling and Guiseley too much of a chance to play. No coincidence they then both looked half-decent sides.
We are all of course, entitled to our opinion, and I agree that Welling played well with discipline, good movement, and they kept the ball well, especially when they were down to 10 men. However Guiseley, looked half decent. What really? I thought Guiseley looked awful, from the first minute and that ridiculous goal to the last, when the sole tactic seemed to be to kick ball as high and as long as possible. The standard of play, was absolutely shocking. What was even more shocking is how we looked no better than them. There is no point blaming the pitch; yes I'll accept it is awful and it is difficult to play on it, and I'll also accept I would look a fool running on it with a ball at my feet. However I am not paid to do that, and if I was I would expect to do better than the players did on Saturday. Until maybe 15 years ago ago football was played on dreadful pitches, the old Wembley in the 1970's saw games played on a ground which had hosted the horse of the year show on it look at some of the pitches the great Leeds, Chelsea and Liverpool sides played on, look even today at some of the pitches Brazilian players play on. Okay it's not easy, but get on with it - it just doesn't excuse Saturday, not at all.
All the above said I am not one who thinks we would be embarrassed if we reach the play offs, not at all. I think on our day, we are match for most teams, trouble is, our day isn't often enough. A lot of talk about our lack of goals, well we had enough shots Saturday, they were 20 yards wide. Blame the pitch? Didn't stop the Guiseley equaliser did it? Keep the people we have got now play JC and Yemi up front, give the team a big kick up the arse, and lets show what a really funny game football is and get a result at Grimsby.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 18:09:02 GMT
Here is what i'd like to see.
Flitney
Evans Turley Reid
Coulson Partington Drury Harding
Reason
Yemi Tubbs
I really think Partington is wasted at right back. He probably has the best engine in the squad and is solid defensively, more than capable of going forward, and will join in with the front line as and when needed, something we dont currently get. He can sit and protect the back three when needed as well and let Drury dictate from deep, Jai dictate behind the front two and Coulson and Harding give us the energy down the flanks in both phases of play.
Tubbs will benefit from having someone clever like Jai close to him and Yemi can create the space for that to partnership to flourish. With Yemis pace it allows us to play so much further up the pitch than when he does not play.
With Harding instead of Green he is more solid defensively so allows him to drop and all shift across one if really need to for a flat back four during different phases.
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Post by tenacres on Apr 4, 2016 20:49:18 GMT
I am sure that Yemi got the first goal v Bromley. Anyway the point re lack of goals still holds.
Yemi, Beano & Tubbs are all due a goal or two.
On the other hand it invariably works out that when a team starts scoring more they start conceeding more as well.
The general consensus seems to be that results have been OK recently but performances have not really been.
I suspect the later will have to chance if we are to make the top 5.
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Post by efcspitfire on Apr 4, 2016 21:04:23 GMT
Harding give energy down the flanks LOL
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 6:06:55 GMT
John, Constable was not tripped for the so called penalty. I was sat high in the stand, I watched them come together into the box, as soon as their defender shouldered Constable he dived. The referee was in line with them, he saw it clearly and he made the right decision. Everybody above me (the teenage kids) screamed for the penalty because that's what you do collectively, but there is no question about it, it was not a penalty. Another point is no other Eastleigh player appealed for it either when it happened.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 7:41:03 GMT
Harding give energy down the flanks LOL You don't think he is capable of that ? Apart from him being restricted due to current tactics he is told to play (not going to push on when Cook won't cover him) just look at his performances away at say, Bolton, Cheltenham. He was up and down all day, and that was from a deeper left back position. I seem to remember a Bolton fan coming on here saying he was our best player. People have got to stop judging players on the current roles they are told to play. Perfect example again being Jai recently. It's not the players making themselves look bad, it's the tactics they are being told to action from their manager from fear of losing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 10:06:17 GMT
I kind of agree, but Harding certainly isn't the flying winger that Greener is. What you get from Greener as his main strength, is the intent to get forward as often as he can and although we all love seeing him do that, it can also turn into what you then lose defensively if he is caught high up the pitch, and that's where you get the experience of Harding, as he doesn't go as high as Greener does, and is always thinking more defensively than offensively. So for me, who we play at LB and how we set up our shape, determines whether we want to go and attack teams and be positive (with Greener), or whether we want to stay more solid & not push up with width provided by a left back, meaning we are less likely to concede as many goals (with Harding). So SS's point of being set up not to lose, rather than setting up to go out and win games, can be very easy identified by who the manager picks as his LB in games. You have to say, based on the last 6 or so games, we have definitely tightened up our defence, so that side of it is working, but we are not scoring or getting many crosses using width, so are less likely to go out and batter teams. It would be great if the manager could find the balance in between, so that we start scoring 2 or 3 goals, and just concede 0 or 1. Then we will start winning games again.
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Post by westendspitfire on Apr 5, 2016 11:22:54 GMT
I know it's a very British trait to have your 'plastic' glass half full and I know that life is not a bed of roses even in the good times, however:-
We have won 5 of our last 8 games We are unbeaten in 6 We have only conceded once in the last 5 games We are sitting just outside the play-off positions with 6 games to go The sun is shining (more often than not at the moment)
Yet we are saying on here:- That we have only had one creditable win in that period (and that was by luck) That we are setting up not to loose games (rather than trying to win them) Our Strikers are not good enough Our defenders cannot pass Our midfielders are by passed Our goalie is at fault for every goal conceded Our best options are on loan elsewhere
This is why we have plastic glasses in the bar, it would be far to risky to have real glass, it would be a bloodbath. The Samaritans should be our main shirt sponsor next year!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 13:21:56 GMT
lol, no, not saying all those things, well i'm not anyway.
The last 6 results have no matter what anyone tells you, papered over the cracks (imo). So when it all goes wrong and we don't make the play offs, then don't come on here saying we were unlucky... We are very lucky that OG has been our top scorer of late, without that inspired signing, we would already be totally out of contention. The fact we are in contention is down to some very good fortune and is not because our strikers are ripping teams apart....the fact that our strikers are getting only one shot per game (if that), is not down to them being rubbish, as Tubbs, Beano & Yemi are not rubbish players, but its down to the way we are playing. If you want to throw up stats that show we have not lost in a few games, then fine, but don't pretend that means the lads are playing well. I'll say it again, incase people dont understand it, but if teams score just 1 goal against us, we are only going to get 1 point, or 0 points. Goals win games & when it comes to the end of season, you invariably need more than 1 goal to win a game. HERE'S A STAT - We have only scored 2 goals in a game once in the last 10 games, without our star man OG getting on the score sheet for us... That, imo, is what is going to stop us from making the PO's.
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Post by westendspitfire on Apr 5, 2016 14:38:00 GMT
Definately wasn't attributing all the comments to you Sattsy but with regard the lucky/unlucky bit all the good teams are lucky and the poor ones can always point to a bad decision here an injury there. I just think overall our position is not the one of doom and gloom you would think reading the forum. Any season is a journey with highs and lows if you have more of the former you should try and remember them rather then the lows. too much depression in the world already COYS
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 14:51:03 GMT
I think as SD pointed out in his post, if you go to all the other top 7 clubs forums, you will see that doom & gloom is a common theme. The good thing is, both SD & Toddy are not doom & gloom people, so no matter what we all say on here, they hopefully don't let it effect them too much. We are generally just fans with too much time on our hands & some strong opinions. We all worry about our great club not making the PO's, so our worries and concerns impact our mindsets & that ends up being transferred into a post that can be deemed as negative. Whether we make the PO's or not, doesnt really matter too much to me. Its football, it will always be football, no matter what level you are at. Its the enjoyment element that needs to be there, and i dont just mean for me, i mean that as a general statement. Are people going to turn their backs on the club if we dont get promoted, no of course they are not....are people going to buy 2 season tickets each if we get promoted, no of course they not. So i think the level we play at is obviously more of a target for the owner/manager and players, but for the fans, most will still be here no matter what. I would like to think that if we did get promotion, we will naturally increase our own fan base and ticket sales would increase etc, but equally, i would like to think that if we stayed where we are for another season, that people will not walk away.
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Post by loudnproud on Apr 5, 2016 15:51:19 GMT
Top post Paul. I think most peoples postings the last few day are just frustration realy, I know mine was. As we all know,we can play so much better than we have been playing lately. one possible reason is our embarrassing pitch. on a differant note Leicester aint been playing very well lately. Are they papering over because they are winning. Or is it a sign of a good side. just saying like
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 16:05:52 GMT
Good side Leicester and what i like about them is that the way they play is 2 fingers up to all this tippy-tappy football nonsense. and their match stats show that its not all about keeping possession either. Possession means bugger all if you don't stick the ball in the net!....and thats the point ive been making about our own misfiring strike force.
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