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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 16:39:49 GMT
Ben Strevens - I want to go back to this, because i have been looking at the video of this game and although it does look as if Strevs spat in the direction of Parkin, he certainly never spat in his face, not did the spit land anywhere near John Parkin, and there is a big difference in my book to spitting in someone face, versus spitting out onto the floor in the general direction of Parkin from 8 yards away, which is what i believe Strevs did. I'm not condoning what happened between the two of them and i'm sure BS will be gutted to look back on that and feel he could have dealt with the situation better. The Ref purely cowered to Parkins complaint and took the easy option, rather than do what he is paid for & manage the situation with the two players directly. Strevens ran past the Ref and had to then look back, where he was in full view of the ref to aim a spit and throw a few choice comments to Parkin, yet the Ref did nothing until Parkin went running to him and asked him to send BS off. For those on the day with a good eye, you will have seen the 2 players in question battling with each other physically as they ran through the middle of the pitch about 5 mins prior to the sending off incident, & that was what actually sparked the confrontation. It doesn't show that incident on the video, but i can assure you that both gave as good as they got. Although i feel Strevs did things that could warrant a Rec card, so did Parkin, so there were 2 players very much in the wrong, but one was sneaky and a horrible grass, which is something i don't hold well in my world, and one just got duped into doing something that was totally out of character. So i'll gladly stand alongside behind Ben Strevens on this.
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Post by erc on Feb 22, 2016 17:05:59 GMT
That's good to hear Sattsy and if that's the case I'm not sure why someone of this forum hasn't brought this up earlier. I have to say I was staggered when it came up with Ben Streven - Sent off - Spitting on the videprinter.
As for HantsLondoners points , put simply we do not have enough clubs at a good enough level around here that our lads can go to. Southern Prem - Poole (going for league so would probably sign from above) Dorchester (bit of a trek and fair to say hardly pushing for promotion) Weymouth (have finances to buy experience) Southern S+W - Winchester city (mainly buy players known to DOF etc or established Wessex league) AFC Totton (bit of a 'meh' club will be around mid table comfortably forever as a very poor league always 2 teams that don't want to be there anymore) Bashley (....)
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Post by back4more on Feb 22, 2016 19:30:21 GMT
Re the Carlisle United loan pair, it's likely I would think that all the information we have heard is true.
My take on it is theory but fits what we've heard from all sources.
Curle has told his players they are being sent out on loan to Eastleigh. They haven't really fancied it and when they've told their club they want to go back. Carlisle have accepted that and contacted Eastleigh to say they need them back that weekend. That's what Stewart has been told and is what he has told us.
In the meantime they've trained when they've got here and not impressed, leading Chris Todd to state that they weren't good enough. It might have been clear to him once he'd been with them that they weren't really interested and a player who doesn't want to be here can get back on his bike no matter how few fit players we have.
That's just my theory anyway. We have the most open and honest owner and manager in football and that is great but there will sometimes be occasions when the angles they are talking from seem to conflict without actually doing so. If you want the manager to be hidebound by PR and dress everything up there are plenty in the game like that and their fans never know the real situation.
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Post by tenacres on Feb 22, 2016 19:53:57 GMT
"I'd be celebrating like Parkin if I'd been goaded all game like he had, you pay your money you have the right to take the mick, but so does that player who you've goaded all match, so fairs fair. Same happened with Brodie. Hate to hear of our players cuddling up to opposition players after the match on the pitch, fans of all clubs work hard to earn their money to watch their teams all over the country, you should be enemies on the pitch, do that sort of stuff in the changing rooms or post match please. The hysteria around Bolton clouded over many poor performances in the last 2 months since we last won, we went out of 3 cups in a week and no one batted an eye lid due to the fact 'oh we might beat Bolton so let's rest our players' 'let them play at 80% in these games if it means beating Bolton' you can't have your cake and eat it, you can't now moan why we haven't won for so long, a lack of strength in depth has outdone us. Cheltenham and Forest Green have that, hence we have drawn v Cheltenham and actually beaten FGR it's the other games that have cost us, look how many FGR have won by 1 goal." Think 80% is being generous TBH. Gateshead in the Trophy was more like 50%, think that's always gonna be the way TBH, even if we'd made the Trophy quarters the other week it would still have played 2nd fiddle to our chances of making the top 5.
Re Parkin I think for a 34 year old who has played X hundred games and been a pro for 15+ years giving it the big b*llocks like that to opposing fans is utterly embarrassing. How about celebrating with your own fans? Grow up and be a bit professional FFS. Should have been carded by the ref.
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Post by tenacres on Feb 22, 2016 20:07:32 GMT
Must admit I've lost track of this business with us bringing in loan players. I think SD is sometimes a bit guilty of speaking too much about it. Maybe worth keeping cards closer to his chest in terms of signing players. I think all us fans know a lot of hard work goes into it, sometimes with no reward. Deals can be close to being done but not quite get their - for a number of reasons.
Its probably more frustrating for us fans hearing we will make a signing & it not materialising than if nothing was said. That said I welcome SDs openness, its a hard balance to strike.
Re youth players coming through for us of course its something virtually all of us would like to see but I really think this is a "Football problem" rather than an "Eastleigh FC problem". Its pretty much inherent at all levels of the game.
I guess if our wage bill was substantially cut and we were competing at the other end of this league perhaps some younger lads might get a chance, but in reality we would probably still go for a bunch of 30 yr old ex pro cloggers to get us 6th bottom each season.
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Post by loudnproud on Feb 22, 2016 20:27:13 GMT
Re Parkin I think for a 34 year old who has played X hundred games and been a pro for 15+ years giving it the big b*llocks like that to opposing fans is utterly embarrassing. How about celebrating with your own fans? Grow up and be a bit professional FFS. Should have been carded by the ref.
I personaly think fair play to him. We gave him loads. He scored and gave us some back.
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Post by Bryan on Feb 22, 2016 20:39:55 GMT
Parkin in a big ugly lump of a player that puts it about and pushes the limits - we knew that, (only my 2nd year as ST holder) knew how he plays and should have treated him the same way and contained him better - to be fair, he took his first goal really well when you watch it again on YouTube :-(
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 20:46:23 GMT
Re the Carlisle United loan pair, it's likely I would think that all the information we have heard is true. My take on it is theory but fits what we've heard from all sources. Curle has told his players they are being sent out on loan to Eastleigh. They haven't really fancied it and when they've told their club they want to go back. Carlisle have accepted that and contacted Eastleigh to say they need them back that weekend. That's what Stewart has been told and is what he has told us. In the meantime they've trained when they've got here and not impressed, leading Chris Todd to state that they weren't good enough. It might have been clear to him once he'd been with them that they weren't really interested and a player who doesn't want to be here can get back on his bike no matter how few fit players we have. That's just my theory anyway. We have the most open and honest owner and manager in football and that is great but there will sometimes be occasions when the angles they are talking from seem to conflict without actually doing so. If you want the manager to be hidebound by PR and dress everything up there are plenty in the game like that and their fans never know the real situation. I agree again with all you have written here, John. What this whole sorry situation tells me is, that i hit the nail on the head re my "scouting" posts last week. If these players were truly scouted, then the person who scouted them and suggested them to EFC should be sacked! He should have known that they were the type of characters that would not fancy it at the lower level & so far down south. Scouting is more than just knowing whether a player is good enough or not. Lets start doing things the right way please and ONLY bringing in players who have passed certain criteria, rather than just going off a phone call from a contact who knows didley squat about a players personality, never mind his ability. .
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Post by michaelefc on Feb 22, 2016 20:46:45 GMT
There is a huge gap between being in a youth team and being in the Conference National. We don't have an intermediate step to address that gap.
We have had this massive problem re the gap between our youth team and the first team for years and years, and as a result, we have had countless really good young players leave. As things stand at the moment, I cannot see the point of our youth team at all. Sam Wilson was a great example of an obvious talent who wasn't going to be given a run in our first team no matter what, now he is scoring goals for fun for Salisbury, and I'll wager here, that in the next couple of years he will be playing professionally somewhere. Either develop a coherent youth policy, or just disband our youth team completely and save the money. And for those who say it can't be done, at this level of football, I'll point out Southampton who have done it at a far higher level.
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Post by tenacres on Feb 22, 2016 21:03:07 GMT
Do any aspiring conference clubs (similar to us) have a really good youth structure with a few players coming through every season to the first team squad though?
Genuine question, I don't know the answer.
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Post by bomber on Feb 22, 2016 21:32:05 GMT
Re Parkin I think for a 34 year old who has played X hundred games and been a pro for 15+ years giving it the big b*llocks like that to opposing fans is utterly embarrassing. How about celebrating with your own fans? Grow up and be a bit professional FFS. Should have been carded by the ref. I personaly think fair play to him. We gave him loads. He scored and gave us some back. Agreed. I love all that wind up malarkey. Its not ladies crown green bowls ffs. I think I can speak for most of us and say we'd have Parkin up front like a shot so its a bit two faced to moan.
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Post by tottonspitfire on Feb 22, 2016 21:52:33 GMT
Get Brodie in , i dont have any time for him when he plays against us but he could be what we need right now !!!!
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Post by michaelefc on Feb 22, 2016 22:16:11 GMT
The last two posts have made my point for me. In response to my comments on us developing a coherent youth policy, and the sad reality of EFC letting all our good young players go, we get the comments on how good it would be if we could bring in Parkin and Brodie! I can understand the sentiment, but personally I would rather have a couple of promising youngsters up front. SD won't be with us forever, our long term future will only be properly secured when we develop a youth policy, like countless clubs have done - Crewe, in my eyes being a great model. This short termism is all very well, but it only stands up to scrutiny when we are winning, as soon as we start a seriously bad spell, everything gets questioned.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 22:44:20 GMT
You don't have to be the club that brings them through, just the one that spots them earlier beneath this level and gives them a chance.
Nothing wrong with the model of letting others do the hard work and then you step in and pay them for it. Either way can be profitable. This is essentially what Chelsea are doing, albeit massive stockpiling. Their model does not really lend to them home developing, more looking to buy best prospects. We have to remember that we are in the Premier League of non league football so players at lower levels will want to come to us. Sort of what we have done with Coulsen to a degree. That is my preferred avenue as never going to compete with Pompey, Bournemouth, and Saints for attracting best youngsters early on. All comes back to scouts again, but eventually clubs would contact you, like we did for Aaron with Saints.
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Post by back4more on Feb 22, 2016 22:52:16 GMT
I'd focus first on establishing Eastleigh as a Football League side by having the strongest team we can put together with the resources available. By all means recruit good young players if we can but the prime objective must be winning matches surely.
Once the club has been built up close to its potential in terms of league placing and size of support, that might be when the club can afford a youth structure which prepares the cream of the youth crop for first team football.
We are a tiny club right now compared with the clubs named in other posts.
Eastleigh did declare the intention around 2012 to start to start a new policy of developing younger players in the first team and proceeded to sell the clubs best established players. That was a smokescreen for getting the wage bill down and we were heading south in the league until Bridle stepped in and stopped the decline.
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